Scandi Church Bans Fathers From Escorting Brides Down The Aisle September 21, 2007
Posted by Michael in Crime, Man Laws.trackback
Unbelievable.
STOCKHOLM (AFP) – Brides in Stockholm who want their fathers to walk them down the aisle are likely to be told it can’t be done, as some pastors are refusing to allow the practice they say is sexist, a pastor said on Friday.
“In Sweden we have worked hard in many different ways to eliminate everything that is unequal,” a Lutheran Church vicar in the Stockholm region, Yvonne Hallin, told AFP.
She said she would not allow the custom in her parish, and noted that Stockholm’s bishop issued a recommendation in 2003 that pastors discourage it.
Couples who marry “are equal when it comes to finances, politics, values … but when they come to the church … the woman suddenly turns into a man’s property,” she said.
Hallin said she has informed a father who was to walk his daughter down the aisle on Saturday that he would not be doing so.
I will refrain from sharing with you how I would have responded to Vicar Hallin. I am a Lutheran, and thus obliged to show proper respect for the Office of the Keys of Confession.
Dads walking daughters down the aisle, a no-no in Stockholm
UPDATE:
I’ve been fuming about this ever since I posted it, and I’m ready to vent.
Whatever the historical antecedents of the practice, it is absurd to suggest that the tradition today represents that a father is “giving away” chattel in the form of his daughter.
In weddings today, the father’s walk down the aisle is a sweet, poignant and emotionally resonant moment that marks and honors a type of parting between him and his daughter. It commemorates a calling that has ended, and recognizes that he is no longer the principal male in her life. There is a ceremonial handing-off of the bride to the groom that puts each man in his rightful place. The groom is now the man who is first in her life.
The banning of this moment says much more about the sickness of some feminists than the origins of the tradition.
This is radical feminism at its worst, determined to bleed the reality out of relationships between the sexes.
No urinals for boys in schools. No dads walking their baby girl down the aisle. The headlong dive into pussification continues.
C’mon Swedish men. Show somebody you still got a pair. Don’t take this shit.
I will refrain from sharing with you how I would have responded to Vicar Hallin.
I will confess that I would have been tempted to swipe Dave’s recent suggestion regarding the appropriate use of a sideways pineapple.
I tol you man, I swiped it from lauraw
How about treating the brides like grown-ups and letting them make up their own minds?
But I’ll bet they bend over backwards to accomodate Muslim traditions.
That is unbelievable. Michael is right about the moment being a moment of parting. I’m very close to my dad, and I can’t imagine him not giving me away. I was thinking of Father of the Bride the other day, and there’s so much in that movie about the father-daughter relationship. I love the very end, when she calls him from the train station, just before she leaves for her honeymoon with her new husband, and he’s reassured that he hasn’t really lost his little girl after all.
Lipstick, glad you’re back. How was your trip?
oh, and:
radical feminism at it’s worst
It’s stuff like this that should reinforce your support for “values voters” or the so-called religious right. We’re trying to stop the Europeonization of America. There is absolutely no good reason to concede any ground to the Democrats. Elections, power, undecided voters and independent voters be damned.
Whether or not Ronald Reagan is dead, always stand by your principles…if you have any.
Thanks, Mrs. Peel. You encouraged me to move my rant from the Comments to a post update.
BTW, I do not look forward to doing this. If I make it to the pew without blubbering my eyes out, it will be a miracle.
drugs. take drugs Michael.
One of your better efforts I must say, but to keep this real I would like to add, “eat me, Michael”.
Michael, I’ll be waiting for you in the pew and fighting off tears also.
but to keep this real I would like to add, “eat me, Michael”.
Brew, there are two emails that are permanent residents in my Inbox. They are both emails that I sent to myself.
One is Laura’s infamous poem. I want to have that handy at all times.
The other is an email that allows me to quickly copy and paste an HTML-complex Vietnamese expression that you are familiar with.
From the bottom of my heart, Brew: ăn tôi !
I read here and there about how church attendance in Europe is a small fraction of what it was 40 years ago or so. I always assumed it was just the secular nature of politics over there, but maybe people where just put off by a church turned into a political arm for the crazy PC thinking that’s turned Western Europe into a secular socialist shit hole.
My sister had BOTH ma & pa walk her down the aisle….25 years ago!
She wanted to share the moment with both of them.
Michael, I’ll be waiting for you in the pew and fighting off tears also.
Some tissues in your purse might be a good idea.
D’jya think a whole box might look bad?
I’m off to Amsterdam on Sunday. Not Scandiland but close enough that you can practically smell the icebacks.
Pray for me.
Brett — I think you are on to something.
In my book Pastor Haulin’ has overstepped her bounds. Her primary role is to represent Christ in love and service to others.
I can see her next move… not allowing brides to wear white if they are not virgins. I wonder how she will choose to find out that juicy bit?
I will help the good reverend if I must.
D’jya think a whole box might look bad?
Honey, that sorta depends on the capacity of the purse. I’m ready to buy you a really fancy designer-label purse that will gracefully accommodate an entire box of tissues.
Seriously, money is no object. The only issue is the dignified tissue-carrying capacity of that purse.
I’m off to Amsterdam on Sunday.
Dude, please take some pics of the red light district and send them to me. We need to protect IB’s place as the top Google Images site for pictures of Dutch hookers.
Recently I saw in a specialty store a few of those little plastic packages of Kleenex that were printed up in wedding themes. I asked the store owners about them and she said that these were what were left over from the mementos they gave everyone at their daughter’s wedding.
Those folks have a sense of humor.
Way ahead of you, Michael. Camera is charging as we speak.
fancy designer-label purse
Get one of those Gooney Bird ones.
I hear they’re really pricey.
Father walking his daughter down the aisle? SEXIST
What happens when you go to the extremes? This.
Doctor Dave is in the house,
Happy to serve intended spouse.
Looking official, turns on the light,
“Lets see if you’ll be wearing white.”
maybe people where just put off by a church turned into a political arm for the crazy PC thinking that’s turned Western Europe into a secular socialist shit hole.
In Germany, the state-subsidized Lutheran churches are basically defunct. People show up for obligatory ritual baptisms, marriages, and funerals. The action is in the Free Lutheran Churches.
Memo to Innocent Bystanders Main Page Commenters:
This post just got picked up by Hot Air, (because Michael pimped it over there) so you can pretty much relax and take the rest of the month off. We’re easily going to hit our September traffic quota.
What a bunch of crap. My Swedish grandmother, mother of 5 sons and 7 daughters would have had this vicar over her knee. Does the whole Lutheran church in Sweden have its head up its fundamental orifice or is this an aberration confined to the effete locale of Stockholm? I was proud to walk both my daughters down the aisle.
Can I get one of those headband things with the light on it?
Can I get one of those headband things with the light on it?
Do you know how to use it?
Ok, we’re going to give this html crap a go. No sniggering!!!!!!
I have to admit I’m always a little weirded out when a woman has her toddler involved in the ceremony and is wearing a huge white gown. I would never dream of saying anything to her about it, but it does seem a bit hypocritical.
A preview button would be really helpful b/c I have this awful suspicion I’m going to make an ass of myself w/ this html attempt
HOLY SHIT IT WORKED!
TI, I am so proud of you. I was starting to worry that all those tats had somehow poisoned your blood and damaged your brain.
TI
I have mixed thoughts about the white gown thing too.
I’ve seen a bride was about 6 months pregnant have the photographer take a photo of her with her husband hunkered down on his knees hugging the bulge in the dress. It weirded me out at first — but I ended up being okay with it because it was honest — he was communicating that he loved her and the babe on the way.
All things considered, I figure that is the family’s decision.
…And congrats on your newfound html blogging tools, Lady!
Nah, just don’t like computers and their associated mumbo jumbo all that much. Too much electrical, not enough biology to make sense
I only have 3 tats, but I guess they are fairly big.
you’re welcome, Michael. My dad will have a VERY hard time not crying. He managed it at my sister’s wedding, but my sister isn’t as close to him as I am.
If you guys want to cry during my putative future wedding, I will email you the date & time so you’ll know when. Or one of you can come and liveblog it on IB.
p.s. radical feminism at it’s worst
#36
I think the worst one I saw (family friends of my mom) involved the 3 yr old toddler and being near term on the one gestating. The only reason they hadn’t gotten married before was b/c his family threatened to cut of his college funding. Personally, I figured he should have grown a pair and told his family where to stick it and honored the woman he got pregnant (the first time around). But in the end not my life, not my problem, not my weeny husband, so I guess it doesn’t really matter.
I only have 3 tats, but I guess they are fairly big.
For the record, if you show up for the First Annual Innocent Bystanders Super Bowl Party™, you will not be expected to show off any of them.
I’m not saying you can’t if you want to. Just sayin’.
Lipstick, glad you’re back. How was your trip?
Thanks Mrs. P, it was pretty darn good. I’ll be posting some shots of the beautiful scenery.
The dollar was one to one to the loonie, so it wasn’t exactly a shopper’s paradise. But hey, I can get maple syrup at home. (They even served cheese infused with maple syrup!)
Hopefully by Feb I’ll have a job and the $ to get the fourth one done! I wouldn’t want to make WP feel inadequate tho
Do you know how to use it?
Well of course I know how to use it, but I’m talking about that headband thing with the light.
They even served cheese infused with maple syrup
Heretics!11!!1!1!
p.s. radical feminism at it’s worst
OK, thanks again Mrs. Peel. I realize now that I ignored your previous hint. I have now fixed it.
Sheesh. I’m embarrassed. You would think that I could get my post right when it has been linked by Hot Air, without the help of someone who has an irrational emotional attachment to an Aggie football team that got its ass kicked by Miami last weekend.
By “irrational emotional attachment” I mean, of course, an affinity for anyone other than the upright scholar athletes of the Michigan Wolverines.
and by last weekend, he means last night.
It won’t matter for very long. Sweden’s fertility rate is around 1.6 or 1.7. Replacement rate is 2.1 . . .
LOL Brewfan. Rest easily, I didn’t eat any — it smelled awful.
TI @ 39, yeah, no weenie husbands for us!
(I backed out of an engagement to a weenie a couple years ago. Best decision I ever made.)
LS, can’t wait to see the pics. The cheese + maple syrup thing sounds kind of gross, though. I love cheese and maple syrup, but not together. But then, I don’t like chocolate-covered pretzels, either, so…
Meh. We like to lower people’s expectations so that they’re surprised when we BTHO Oklahoma or t.u. It’s more fun that way.
Sweden’s fertility rate is around 1.6 or 1.7. Replacement rate is 2.1
Not to worry. New World folks like me will keep the Swedish gene pool alive, despite the pernicious effects of Global Warming.
Heck, I cried at Flyin’ Brian’s wedding.
Heck, I cried at Flyin’ Brian’s wedding.
Well, you’re gay then.
What would be my excuse?
did you escort him down the aisle?
Personally, I would have asked the vicar how he would like a running chainsaw suppository, then I would have walked my daughter down the aisle.
I would have asked the vicar how he would like a running chainsaw suppository
That’s just wrong.
Consider a sideways pineapple as an alternative.
Since when did the church start being for equality?
a father walking his daughter down the aisle, and consequently giving her away to her husband, is a tradition so sexist it seems a waste of space to comment on its sexism. but as a feminist, i believe every woman has the right to choose who (if anyone) walks her down the aisle. i have no plans to get married in the near future (if ever) but if my father were still alive, he’d absolutely be walking me down the aisle.
Troll alert!
I darn near stood up and cheered when I read the update! A most excellent summation of the modern meaning of the ceremony!
Yah, good update Michael.
Dad didn’t walk me down the aisle, but he really didn’t have to, since he abdicated his responsibility and protection over me when I was a wee one.
For those men who really and truly raised their daughters, I dare say this is a social right, and one worth arguing for.
We only did this because the fathers weren’t walking their daughter’s down the aisle, they were tossing them like midgets. Is that what you people want? To toss these brides down the aisle like midgets? Sure, it’s fun, and kind of arousing, but sometimes a little decorum is called for.
a father walking his daughter down the aisle, and consequently giving her away to her husband, is a tradition so sexist it seems a waste of space to comment on its sexism
You are exactly correct — the tradition is sexist beyond argument.
That totally begs the question. Which is, is the tradition wrong as practiced today?
There is an important cultural issue here. Radical feminists seek to abolish anything that differentiates between the sexes, regardless of whether it is father and daughter, husband and wife, guy-on-the-prowl and chick-target.
They have declared a war on genetics and blood chemistry, and they are going to lose. That’s why the feminist movement, after having made many important gains for women, is losing ground.
Today in America, pretty much everybody accepts that women should be given equal opportunity on the job. There are pockets of resistance, but they are being eradicated. In a bygone era, women seeking a professional career had two choices — nurse (my Mom) or teacher (my sister). Today, I read somewhere that the majority of new lawyers are women.
Thank you, Gloria Steinem.
In my opinion, feminists are digging their own grave of irrelevancy when they attempt to screw around with marital relationships, courtship rituals, the father-daughter dynamic, and so forth.
weddings today, the father’s walk down the aisle is a sweet, poignant and emotionally resonant moment that marks and honors a type of parting between him and his daughter.
Fathers nowadays, in general, are SCARED SHITLESS!!!
They aren’t eager barterers of chattle as you said, but ratierh terrified protectors, who will likely never trust the husband.
In this western, in this modern world, fathers and mothers, love their children, they aren’t just a commodity, the are rare heirlooms, that must NEVER BE SHARED, and are only surrendered based on the desires of those children.
My mom HATED my brother and I joining service.
My Uncle, My fathers twin, had two daughters, and he HATED seeing them wed, in fact, he still hardasses his sons in law, even though he has had 2 heart attacks, and a spinal injury.
My Uncle Dave, will be a nightmare if EVER my cousins husbands hardass HIS GIRLS!
Maybe us westerner conservatives are not diverse enough, since we LOVE our offspring.
Got here from Hot Air. Love the site!
Anyhoo -
Perhaps this is the eeevil Orthodox/Catholic in me, but it seems to me that this sort of PC idiocy would not have happened if Lutherans had not allowed women into their form of holy orders in the first place…?
(DUCKS ROTTEN PRODUCE)
#66
What is it w/ that? Someone (some part of the great they) did a study and stuck it on the web recently regarding the correlation between women’s suffrage and the growth of gov’t. WTH is that all about?
Oooh, I should clarify–I’m not doubting the data, I just don’t understand how/why that correlation exists.
Dear all,
Giving your daughter away at the altar is an anglo-saxon tradition. It’s common in the Britain and all its former colonies (such as the US), but in most other countries it has never been part of the wedding tradition. The AFP news item is highly slanted to attract the attention of American editors and their readers, and doesn’t give the full background; for that you have to go to the Swedish papers. The basis for vicar Hallin’s decision was a recommendation to its vicars by the Swedish Lutheran Church in 2003 not to encourage this new, un-Swedish practice, which had started to emerge because of influences from American TV shows. The Church’s view is that the actual church wedding is a solemn religious act which requires respect for God and the traditions of the Church. You may arrange the rest of the wedding in any way you want, but in the church it’s God (and the vicar) who rules.
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Ok, I thought the “giving away” tradition was based on bride kidnapping, later bride purchase, which was a pretty common practice for the Anglo-Saxon group and was eventually formalized into the Catholic Church, and later into the various splitters. Given Sweden’s historical roots in Viking culture I have a hard time believing that brides weren’t kidnapped, but I can believe that there was not formalization of the giving away process. With that being said, which trumps: church traditions or secular traditions? Sounds like it should be a personal choice personally
When my daughter got married 14 years ago I prepared a photograph album of all of my memories of the great times we had had together – right from birth (when Apollo first landed on the moon – what timing – to a few weeks before when she and I had a “date”. I was honoured to escort her down the isle and sang a song to “them” about how God would never let go og THEIR hand (as they were now one) and at the reception I gave the photograph album to Dan and said quite simply.. this is my daughter that I have done my best to prepare for you to look after as Christ looks after the church.
The walking down the isle wasn’t and isn’t a “tradition” to me. Nor does it have sexist over, or under, tones – unless you want to make it so. The act is one of deep reflection that my daughter has now acted out the “leave and cleave” bit and whilst she will always be my daughter she has given her life to someone else.
Like the coach prepares the runner and lets him/her run I shall be there to share in her running the race – willing her on – and winning the race .. possibly on the sidelines but.
I feel so sorry for those whose only joy is to find “correctness” in everything abnd drain the potential colour out of everything…. we weren’t created to be colourless with sameness we were created to be unique and free and different and edifiers of each other.
Question
Does this act of not allowing a father to “give” away his daughter build or destroy?
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We’re dancing around the real issue. Doesn’t anybody want to confront the 800 lb gorilla in the room? Well I’m not afraid. This is all a plot by those lutefisk imbibing, casserole cooking, pot-luck organizing Lutherans to undermine Western culture. Duh!
this is my daughter that I have done my best to prepare for you to look after as Christ looks after the church
Exactly. Though my dad wouldn’t put it in those words, that’s what that moment will mean for him. He’s loved me and protected me and been the most important man in my life ever since I was born. On that day, he’ll be handing me over to another man, who takes over his role as the most important man in my life. It’s not at all a reflection of the tradition’s origins, in my opinion. It is, as Michael said, a moment of parting that symbolizes the change in the woman’s life, and has tremendous meaning to both her and her father.
69, thanks for the background. That does make it a little more understandable. I guess it’s sort of comparable to this “unity candle” thing that a lot of American weddings do now. I personally would prefer not to have one. But the thing is: Why not let the brides choose for themselves? Does it undermine Scripture to let a father walk her down the aisle?
(Not being sarcastic – I actually think the unity candle does undermine Scripture, since it says a man is supposed to leave his father & mother and cleave to another; it doesn’t say that the man’s family is supposed to cleave to the woman’s family. That’s why I wouldn’t have it in my ceremony, though I wouldn’t support its banning. I would be very interested to know if you have a similar feeling about the walking.)
67&68 – Probably because women, in general, tend to favor larger government/nanny-statism more than men do. As a result of women forming half the constituency, social programs like welfare are going to gain greater acceptance among the voting public, and we all know that politicians pander to the voting public. (Obviously, this is a broad generalization; there are women who don’t support social programs and men who do.)
Huh. Apparently, the unity candle is prohibited in certain churches. My comparison was better than I knew.
Anyway, the reasoning in Romans 14 is similar to my reasoning about prohibiting it. To me, it does weaken the import of the ceremony, which is supposed to be the joining of the man and the woman, not the joining of the families. But some people might not see it that way. And in the grand scheme of things, does God care if there was a candle at your wedding? I doubt it. I imagine He cares more about the fruits of your wedding than the ceremony. So that’s why I would prefer that individual brides be left to decide if they want it in their ceremony or not.
(I am not anticipating a huge fight about leaving it out of my putative future ceremony…I wonder if I am wrong about that.)
ok, studying time now.
My dad walked me down the aisle. Before we started he turned to me and said quietly “do you want to do this? ‘Cause if you don’t, I will turn you right around, walk you out of this church, and drive you away. You won’t have to face anyone until you’re ready. I’ll take care of it.”
THAT is illustrative of a father’s protection and The Father’s protection. Regardless of the origin of this tradition, it has evolved into a beautiful symbol of support and love.
Now that women are free to make such decisions for themselves, give them a little credit.
I suppose I should be thankful that I have that kind of relationship with my girls KC that they’ll want me to do this.
And I hope to hell I can maintain.
Well, I didn’t read all the posts here so I didn’t see any comments about the Jewish tradition of both parents walking the bride down the aisle, which, in my opinion, is even better. The Swedes are doomed, as is the rest of Europe AND the US, unless they get their heads out of the clouds and realize that political correctness is an encroachment on free society by socialism. Everything liberal/progressive is a move toward socialism/communism. Wake up people. Personal freedom is under attack.
Diversity and equality are not goals. They are the result of equal opportunity, if taken.
I blame the Episcopagans.
It’s a well kept secret that the Official Innocent Bystanders Band will
come out of the closetmake an appearance at Mrs. Peel’s Wedding.This is the song we are going to sing:
Welcome To The Family: recorded by Little Big Town
Welcome to the family: hope you have a real good life.
With my little sister, yeah, she’ll make a real good wife.
Hope you have lots of babies, hope you get a real good job.
Hope you don’t mind comp’ny, ’cause we’ll be here a lot.
But brother, here’s some brotherly advice:
If you know what’s good for you, you’ll treat her right:
‘Cause Grandpa’s the local sheriff,
Yeah, he’s the judge an’ the jury, too.
Uncle Bill’s the undertaker,
Son, he’ll dig a hole for you.
Cousin Jesse, he’s just crazy:
He’ll fight you just for fun.
Momma’s got a real bad temper,
An’ Daddy’s got a shotgun.
Welcome to the family, and this side of the tracks,
Well, if you ever leave her, you ain’t comin’ back.
My nephew is a hunter: an’ he’s gonna hunt you down.
Just like he did the last one, an’ he still ain’t been found.
I like you just fine, don’t get me wrong,
But, boy, take care of her ’cause if you don’t:
‘Cause Grandpa’s the local sheriff,
Yeah, he’s the judge an’ the jury, too.
Uncle Bill’s the undertaker,
Son, he’ll dig a hole for you.
Cousin Jesse, he’s just crazy:
He’ll fight you just for fun.
Momma’s got a real bad temper,
An’ Daddy’s got a shotgun.
Yeah, Grandpa’s the local sheriff,
Yeah, he’s the judge an’ the jury, too.
Uncle Bill’s the undertaker,
Son, he’ll dig a hole for you.
Cousin Jesse, he’s just crazy:
He’ll fight you just for fun.
Momma’s got a real bad temper,
An’ Daddy’s got a shotgun.
Welcome to the family: hope you have a real good life.
With my little sister, yeah, she’ll make a real good wife.
God bless America!
Remember we have a lot of “Christian” socialists here in America too.
It like being an anti “Crist, Christian”. I just do not understand that, but that is how it is. We are not far from Sweden, just wait. This is what is so sad! We need to Take America Back, the true America, one nation under God.
22. Michael – September 21, 2007
I’m off to Amsterdam on Sunday.
Dude, please take some pics of the red light district and send them to me. We need to protect IB’s place as the top Google Images site for pictures of Dutch hookers.
Michael, why do I think your request is not all about maintaining the IB position on the Google Images site? Is this really just about satisfying your inner perv?
Site admin, please close the em tag after the word ‘hookers’. Thanks.
Oh, crap. I’m probably asking Michael, aren’t I?
why am i not suprised…
Actually, the historical antecedents ARE extremely important. It is those antecendets thay give the social action of a father walking his daughter down the aisle social meaning. And that meaning is well understood by most people as a man GIVING his daughter to another man. U applaude the Lutheran Church in Sweden for their courage and commitment to equality. It is high time that marriage practices came under such scrutiny.
If that’s how the woman feels, then sure, she should be able to make that choice. I think we’ve established in several comments here that many women (and their fathers) may feel a different way. Are you seriously proposing that because some people think a tradition is more honored in the breach than in the observance, then therefore participation in that tradition should be banned for all people?
It’s one thing to agitate for change. It’s another thing to establish change by fiat.
that meaning is well understood by most people as a man GIVING his daughter to another man.
Giving?
Crap, you mean I could have gotten a Goat or something?
She got divorced so I probably would have had to give it back.
If a tradition that we practice today must be banned solely on the basis that its historical antecedents are offensive, then the Lord’s Supper is the next thing that Lutherans in Sweden should do away with. The historical antecedent of this sacrament — the blood sacrifice of animals by the Jews — is barbaric in the context of current cultural norms.
I agree. Total bullshit.
I love you Mom and Dad!
tell him he can’t wear the Batman outfit.
I think he’s ok with that.
pussification
So said Dave in Texas in the comments.[1] I’m thinking something else:Brides in Stockholm who want their fathers to walk them down the aisle are likely to be told it can’t be done, as some pastors are refusing to allow
Woof woof woof, woof. Woof?
Woof woof woof woof woof.
I am a dyed-in-the-wool feminst who thinks that the practice of dad walking daughter down the aisle is more about “this is your family now” than anything sexist or “chattel.”
It is, as someone said above, the symbolic parting of the father as the man in her life. It can also be true for the groom. My youngest son was married last weekend and while I didn’t walk him down the aisle per se, he walked me to my seat and we shared a long hug before he took his place to await his bride who was being ESCORTED by her father (in the traditional way). The bride is VERY close to her father and my son very close to me. To me, the goodbyes at the front of the chapel represented “you two are now a family” rather than anything sexist.
Believe me, if there was something sexist about it, I would be the first to scream. It was lovely and I expect that when my daughter get married, her father will walk her down the aisle.
Excuse me for a moment, but maybe some of you people could actually go and look at other countries before calling them “a secular socialist shit hole”. You pick ONE story from Sweden and use it to paint the whole country? And how many stories could I quote if I wanted to prove that AMERICANS are idiots? A million? Maybe two?
And what defines a “shit hole” exactly? Maybe a country where kids shoot each other in schools and people pay through their ass for medical coverage (which in Sweden is pretty much free)?
I live in Sweden, and I must say I am damned happy that I do. But you’re right in one sense – the “giving away” ban is rubbish, as nobody is under any pressure in Sweden to marry in a Church. And if you choose that, then you accept the rituals involved. The Swedish church ARE pussies. I am not religious but if people want their little ceremonies in the “eyes of god” then they are welcome to them.
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What’s wrong with men and women having specially designated roles in the family and in society? Sexism is another -ism created by bitter, self-important malcontents who wish to impose their will on others.
Keep your damned hands off of my
ovariesgender-specific traditions.Paddy, you stupid Scandi swine.
Medical coverage is free?
You ass, you pay for it…if you pay taxes, of course.
It’s one thing to agitate for change. It’s another thing to establish change by fiat.
Well said, Mrs. Peel.
I just re-read this entire thread and sense that you nailed it in this simple and concise statement of yours. Thanks!
That Swedish bishop has a point – the whole idea of a father “giving away” his daughter to her fiance is a sexist, feudal remnant – maybe American churches should follow Scandinavia’s lead, in dispensing with this medieval relic!
Thanks, Mrs. M.
I would contend that the phrase “secular socialist shithole” is redundant, since the first two imply the last. And also, medical coverage is free? Well, then, I guess highway repair on I-45 is free, since it’s not a toll road. Sweet!
Daughter Michael
Am I halucinating, or is that real? I thought that daught michael was like yeti, or Bigfoot, or chem-trails, or remote viewing.
Things that I absolutely believe in but can not be verified!
I’m so flying to Loch Ness next week, this must be my lucky month.
Yes, WP, that was actually Daughter Michael. She does not normally read IB, but I mentioned this post in an email to her.
Appologize to her for comparing her to yeti and big foot, and especially the lochness monster.
Though, you talk about her smarts, so she might be the mind behind the chem-trails.
I spoke yesterday in the Church what was supposed to take 10 minutes took about 20, although the theme of my chat with the congregation was about prayer. When you think about people changing traditions like a father escorting his daughter down the aisle to give her away…it has nothing to do with equality.
Does this not just affirm the continual breakdown of society why don’t these people focus on other things like touching the hearts of sinners.
Amen-Raymond.
[...] Uite AICI. [...]
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Romanian?
Romulan
Renegade!
Remoulaude.
Redoubt.
Rehash.
Remedy.
Relent
Rinse
Repeat
Romulus
Remus
Ridiculous
Rutabaga
Retards.
You’re all retards.
Russ. That’s my name.
Really?
I’m so ronery.
Russ. That’s my name.
You’re more of a Christine than a Russ.
Everyone is Christine.
Got it?