Conservative Studies on Campus? Conservatives and Liberals Equally Stunned September 28, 2007
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“Capitalism and limited government at a public university? How can that be?“
asked Robert Novak, conservative commentator and University of Illinois graduate. Believe it or not, there are some wealthy alumni who’s wealth might make them fans of capitalism. They might even donate money to programs that reflect their beliefs and values. Of course ethnic disabled vajayjay celebration courses need funding as well. NTTAWWT. Some fear the conservative movement, though:
Some U of I faculty members fear that the group’s plans to raise money to pay for classes and research on free-market capitalism and limited government would create an undue conservative political influence on campus. They also complain that the new group was formed without faculty input.
Undue conservative political influence? That probably is a true threat to the academy. The irony is so rich, creamy, and cool, I think I could, actually, dip my, um, carrot sticks in it.
GLAR?
The more insulted and embarrassed the faculty felt when they heard about this, the better. Serves them right for not listening to concerns and complaints from those that butter their bread.
It’s about time!
Cracks me up that the professors are annoyed. Wouldn’t want to present two sides, that’s just wrong.
They also complain that the new group was formed without faculty input.
That’s the part that slays me. I’m sure the faculty have could offered all kinds of helpful advice about how to launch a program that supports economic and political principles that they despise.
They also complain that the new group was formed without faculty input.
Michael, that just says to me the faculty realize how venerable they are…the students are smarter than the teachers.
Remind me again why I want to send my daughter to Liberal Indoctrination Camp when she’s 18? I’m having a hard time with that one.
Eh, nevermind. Sooner or later when the “progressives” stop breeding, our kids can bring education back to higher education.
Is this really a surprise?
Thanks, Laura! I finally noticed your link to this post at AOSHQ.
Remind me again why I want to send my daughter to Liberal Indoctrination Camp when she’s 18? I’m having a hard time with that one.
Send them to the military instead. Mine left for bootcamp on Wendesday.
I’m almost in agreement with the military comment. The experience of travel has a lot to offer…under normal circumstance…I’m glad I didn’t go in 2007, and I feel for these/those that do, but I don’t think this should be a shocking revelation.
I’m almost in agreement with the military comment. The experience of travel has a lot to offer…under normal circumstance
If that’s why you’re joining the military, you’re making a mistake. If the concepts of honor, duty, and love of country are foreign to you, you should become a flight attendant, not a military professional.
Oh geez!! The “profs” used the big F word–they “fear” that someone might reveal that university faculty are intellectually naked, vapid, insipid, and overpaid.
Umm…
But wouldn’t that possibly (subject to testing and so on), possibly mean that there would be MORE wealthy almuni?
Happy, rich, educated alumni that might think well of a University that helped make them so… and include them in philanthropic considerations and wills and so on?
Just thinkin’ out loud…
DBS our prayers are with your son, Brian.
RG and Mrs. G
Sorry, Geoff, did not mean to imply that at all and am glad you called attention to it! I was really being sarcastic b/c of the “state of the union” under Bush. I was raised as a military dependent and have plenty of family serving…pros and cons in anything…I am well aware of loyalty and dedication in whatever one pursues! And by “glad I didn’t go in 2007″, I meant school, but I also have “up and comings” there! Sorry for the confusion, there’s enough of that! I never stop praying!
Imagine the Professors surprise when they someday realize the Board of Trustees actually run Colleges “for profit”. They obviously don’t pay the groundskeepers the same as tenured instructor; don’t they recognize the class struggles in their own organizations???
7. Is this really a surprise?
I’m going to go out on a limb here and elaborate what I think was implied by our new little friend, tsaari: This is all part of the Neocon Jew Zionist’s plan, thanks to puppet Bush’s Patriot Act, to control the world.
Holy Crap. Let’s see what happens. When Hell freezes over there will be too much conservative influence on a state college or university, or any college campus without an overtly christian mission.
I was reading post at the Simple Dollar by Trent about why a student should take history classes at university and he mentioned taking a year course where one semester was taught from conservative point of view and the other semester presented the same material from a liberal viewpoint. The students were thus given a chance to hear both sides and decide for themselves what made sense. Pretending that you want to educate when you really want to indoctrinate is wrong no matter which side tries it.
You seem to be scandalized that a majority of highly educated people in academia would overwhelmingly vote for Bush over Gore. That’s like being scandalized by finding out that eight year olds prefer cotton candy to brussel sprouts. When you are so nakedly anti-intellectual that you use phrases like ‘ethnic disabled vajayjay celebration courses’ to display your contempt and scorn for what you percieve to be academia, how can you be surprised that academics don’t embrace you? It would be like if I were to call the posters to this board ‘ignorant, superstitious, cousin-humping, hillbilly bigots’-should I expect them to think that I am right? Some of them might take offense at such a characterization.
I can think of at least one solid reason academia is primarily liberal; when conservatives try to do academics they come up with garbage like ‘Intelligent Design’, wheras liberal secular heathen scientists give us things like moder medicine, which kind of work better than that whole ‘ID’ thing.
Oh, and if conservatives are all about free markets and government non-interference please explain the relationship between Halliburton, Blackwater, etc and the Bush Administration. It doesn’t seem like those guys are playing in the same free markets as the rest of us.
-WD
“scandalized that a majority of highly educated people in academia would overwhelmingly vote for Bush over Gore”
Were they nakedly anti-intellectual?
When you are so nakedly anti-intellectual that you use phrases like ‘ethnic disabled vajayjay celebration courses’ to display your contempt and scorn for what you percieve to be academia…
Perceive? It’s right there in black and white, winston.
By the way, you’re first sentence doesn’t make any sense, winston.
how can you be surprised that academics don’t embrace you?
You’re like, totally lost on this aren’t you? You imagine anyone cares if academics embrace them?
How old are you?
It would be like if I were to call the posters to this board ‘ignorant, superstitious, cousin-humping, hillbilly bigots’
And your point is?
It would be like if I were to call the posters to this board ‘ignorant, superstitious, cousin-humping, hillbilly bigots’
Actually that would be inaccurate because to the best of my knowledge there are no Minnesota Vikings fans that comment here.
It would be like if I were to call the posters to this board ‘ignorant, superstitious, cousin-humping, hillbilly bigots’-should I expect them to think that I am right?
Apart from the cousin-humping, that’s pretty accurate.
Not that I didn’t try to hump my cousin . . .
wheras liberal secular heathen scientists
Interestingly, the science departments typically have the most conservative professors on campus. It’s in the humanities departments that the professors take leftism to such comical extremes.
Longing for your embrace…
please explain the relationship between Halliburton, Blackwater, etc and the Bush Administration.
OK. The Bush Administration is the subsidiary that Halliburton set up to acquire foreign oil. Blackwater is a subsidiary of the Bush Administration that was set up to kill civilians.
Don’t you read the paper?
And how is this inconsistent with free markets? We’re just competing with China.
Brewer fan-
Sorry about your team. Go Cubs!
Patty Ann-
If Bush and Co aren’t nakedly anti-intellectual, then they’re only wearing a thong.
Bart-
Patty Ann seemed to understand it. Have her explain it to you.
Daveintexas-
I am 37 years old. I don’t think anybody cares whether they are embraced by academics, it’s just that I don’t see how name calling makes anyone seem mature.
Michael-
It’s good to embrace your inner hillbilly, just don’t embrace your sister! I generally don’t read the papers because they’re full of nonsense. It’s very inconsistent with free markets because we are bankrupting the Nation for the profit of individuals. That’s not free markets, it’s robber barony. (Before everyone assumes I’m a Marxist, I would like to pre-emptively point out that among other things I am a small business owner who actually has no desire to be regulated and taxed out of my small business. It’s just that thievery is bad for business.)
Sandy-
Naturally humanities types are going to tend towards liberalism-very few people complete a master’s degree in say, social work and come out the other end a Neo-Con. By studying other cultures and viewpoints other than one’s own, there is an inevitable opening of the mind that occurs. This doesn’t make them correct or infallible-far from it. Ivory towers are very isolating in their own way and the excesses of political correctness are often as ridiculous as anything you hear on the right. If you want comical extremes, they can be found everywhere these days. BTW-I am not an academic, so my embrace will mean nothing to you. I don’t even have a college degree. Sorry to disappoint.
-WD
BTW-I am not an academic
You have got to be kidding me! You could knock me over with a feather right now.
BrewFan-
Nope. I’ve read some books, tho’.
-WD
Lets see how smart you really are. In the following word group, which word does not belong:
Woman, Drum, Sex
it’s just that I don’t see how name calling makes anyone seem mature.
From a person who throws the charge of anti-intellectual and asserts “we’re smarter than you” (although you didn’t finish a degree).
Well East Texas State smarted me right up pal. I’m not nakedly anti-intellectual, I’m nakedly anti-asshole. Please proceed to go fuck yourself.
best!
fyi, scientists actually do lean liberal, while engineers lean conservative. This difference will be evident to anyone who has worked with engineers and also attempted to work with scientists. I say “attempted to” in the latter case because it’s pretty damn hard to get any actual work done when the people who are supposed to be the brains are off in la-la land, doing stuff that has absolutely no relation to what you have tasked them to do, and completely ignoring their deadlines.
Bzzzt! Times up.
Sex.
Once again, Mrs. Peel says what I’m thinking.
I’d just like to add that engineers tend to be more conservative than scientists because engineers are judged by the concrete results they produce out in the real world, while scientists are judged by the wildly optimistic promises they make about whatever their current endeavor happens to be. Scientists make promises, while engineers take the promises made by scientists and somehow make the damn things work in reality.
Scientists in academia are even worse shape than regular scientists: They’ve got the additional worry of monitoring the progress of all the transgendered left-handed Samoan soccer fans and making sure that their grades match or exceed the privlidged elites making up the rest of the class.
Bart, I think I understood exactly what you understood.
WD’s blog is all about art. Art with a capital “A”. Every other word of text is in a different color.
Let him annoy us here; he needs something constructive to do with his time. It’s the Christian thing to do.
Daveintexas-
Since I never said anything remotely like ‘we’re smarter than you’ I’ll just have to assume that your confusion results from your fine education. (I don’t even know who the ‘we’ is supposed to be as I only speak for myself-I think you’re having an imaginary confrontation and conflating me with the people who make you feel small and impotent in your daily life) I suppose I really touched a nerve to get you so riled up. You shouldn’t feel insecure just because you’re a rude Texan. I’m sure you have plenty of other reasons to feel insecure-after all, I wasn’t addressing you in particular when I made these comments. I just held up a cloth and you decided it was cut to your fit. I didn’t tell you to put it on. In fact, I would suggest taking it off because you don’t wear it well-you are obviously a very cultured and sophisticated individual. Does that make you feel better, big guy?
PS-Don’t misquote me, asshole. My actual words are right there for you to argue with. If you want to argue with the voices in your head, do it someplace else.
Brewfan-
See, I would have said ‘drum’. But then, I’m a Cubs fan and we’re congenital idiots.
-WD
Once again, Mrs. Peel says what I’m thinking.
*high-fives Russ*
So on top of the jackass scientists at work who never do what they’re supposed to do, right now, I’m dealing with these women in engineering people at school. Somehow, they got my email address (I guess the department gave it to them), and started spamming me about their group. I asked to be removed from their mailing list, but they kept spamming me, so I sent them the following email:
“Please remove me from your mailing list as I requested. I have very strong feelings against programs that discriminate against people based on characteristics, such as chromosomal condition, over which they have no control. My opinion of such unfair behavior does not change simply because I belong to the currently favored group. As such, I cannot support your organization, and would prefer not to receive its mailings.”
That got results, as you might imagine. But now, they’ve gone and enrolled me in their stupid course on Blackboard (an online thingy that lets professors post course documents and your grades and such; they’re using it to post announcements about whatever discriminatory thing they’re doing this week). GRRR.
Patty Ann-
Thank you for the compliment! I’m so flattered that you glimpsed my blog. I’m sorry if all the colors were distracting. But you are right, I am an artist, and therefore can be dismissed as an annoyance. After all, artists don’t contribute anything to society and are generally contrarian and obnoxious, to say nothing of their vile personal habits!
-WD
as the rest of us = plural, i.e. more than one, i.e. “we”.
Being called an asshole by you puts a shine on my Sunday.
Patty Ann-
I just checked out your blog and it is AWESOME!!!! All the text is the SAME COLOR!!!!! NEAT!!!!! I loved your quote about how independents are like bisexuals-so pithy, wise, and Christian!!!! In fact, I bet Jesus would have said exactly the same thing. You should be proud.
-WD
By studying other cultures and viewpoints other than one’s own, there is an inevitable opening of the mind that occurs.
That is off the mark by a lot. Many of us- including our American forefathers- certainly studied other cultures and understood the viewpoints of other cultures. And continued to prefer our own.
I’m talking to you as someone whose parents are both immigrants. I wouldn’t trade my life here or my American cultural heritage for that of my grandparents’, not even on their best day in the Old Country. No damn way.
Your ‘opening of the mind’ is merely moral relativism; the PC inability or unwillingness of the indoctrinated to state a preference for one culture over another. This is the natural result of academia’s leftist tutorship and marxist pap-mongering.
They don’t tell the truth about our country, or other countries. Their distorted pinhole-view is all that’s taught. As a result, we have legions of pampered, complaining, American 20-year olds who enjoy every luxury granted to them by technology, but disparage the industries which make them possible.
And 45-year old idiots who think that people living in stone age dictatorships in far away lands are living a great life and that they should not be allowed to progress as we ourselves eagerly have moved on from that condition.
In my humble estimation, it is more open-minded to believe that the American experiment (Democracy, free speech, guaranteed rights, etc.) is the birthright of man, and rid ourselves of this horrid infection of moral relativism which is in fact assisting the repression and mass murder of innocent peoples across the globe.
Daveintexas-
Glad I could help, partner. That’s what I am here for. However, I still only speak for myself. Are you part of the Bush Administration, Halliburton, or Blackwater? If so, then that’s the only way the ‘we’ would actually be applicable, and if that is the case, then I mean it wholeheartedly because I am talking about ‘we the people; not ‘you, the criminals’. Otherwise, you’re projecting on me, dude.
Have a nice Monday, while you’re at it.
-WD
Lauraw-
You certainly sound like someone with an open mind…
Understanding another culture doesn’t mean hating your own. For example, I understand the culture of Texans, but I still love being a Chicagoan. I understand the cultures of Asia, but I’m not moving to Beijing.
Conversely, seeing your own cultures with open eyes can be very useful so that you might improve it. For example, Chicago sports fans need to understand that their teams inherently suck so that they won’t have their spirits broken when they miss making it to the World Series by five outs.
Let me put it this way. I believe America is the Shining City on the Hill, but the streets still need repairs and the lightbulbss have to be changed regularly to keep it that way. Sitting around in a self-satisfied stupor convinced of our inherent superiority is not going to keep the city shining.
-WD
Speaking for himself…
Naturally humanities types are going to tend towards liberalism-very few people complete a master’s degree in say, social work and come out the other end a Neo-Con. By studying other cultures and viewpoints other than one’s own, there is an inevitable opening of the mind that occurs. This doesn’t make them correct or infallible-far from it. Ivory towers are very isolating in their own way and the excesses of political correctness are often as ridiculous as anything you hear on the right.
That was kinda lost on you, wasn’t it?
I agree with winston. If we leave academia in the hands on conservatives, we’ll get courses like ID and “Shooting Old Men in the Face 101.”
Jeebus, Winston. Did somebody piss in your cheerios this morning?
You “don’t see how name calling makes anyone seem mature”, while calling anyone who disagrees with you “anti-intellectual”, or “a rude Texan”, and trying to tie in Intelligent Design, Halliburton/Blackwater and “Bush & Co.” to the conversation.
I’ll tell you what: just to prove to you that I’m not totally adverse to intellectual pursuits, I’m going to do a cost/benefit analysis of having a civil conversation with you about the reality of the perception of many conservatives about liberal bias in academia.
COST: time required to establish a relationship with you and agree on terms and definitions regarding our debate. Acual historical facts will also have to be established, which, depending on your level of BDS, could take years of intensive negotiation.
BENEFIT: Once trust is established, we might be able to repair the rift in American political discourse.
COST: While I’m dealing with you, other details such as my personal life, the economic well being of this nation, foreign nations that do NOT have the best interests of America & her citizens at heart, and outright monsters who want to kill or convert all those who are not like them will all have to take a backseat to our conversation.
BENEFIT: If I’m talking to you, nobody can blame me for Iran getting a working nuclear bomb & turning Israel & Miami into smoldering craters. Of course, blaming ME will be the last thing on the minds of the survivors, but that will be a small benefit to my peace of mind.
(You know what…………This isn’t worth it. I was all set to make a “shaggy dog” post working up to a dismissal of your arguments, but you’re not worth my time. You’re just another ass-clown leftist moron who googled “People who are smarter & better adjusted than me”, and found yourself taking a large, smelly dump in our particular corner of the inter-web-thingy. Piss off, troll. You’re not worth my time.)
Daveintexas-
Just because I don’t live in an ivory tower doesn’t mean I don’t understand it. I’m not speaking for anyone there-I think many of them would disagree strongly with at the very least the second half of the above statement. I’m describing what I see there. There’s a difference.
However, this is an improvement! You are at least challenging things I actually wrote rather than your paranoid fantasies! Good for you!
-WD
Winston at comment #46:
“Understanding another culture doesn’t mean hating your own.”
Exactly my point. Thank you sir.
Now tell that to my unabashedly marxist Econ 101 professor who was teaching precisely the opposite of that notion to a classroom of malleable kids.
You are at least challenging things I actually wrote rather than your paranoid fantasies!
My bad. My paranoid fantasies involve an avocado and you in biker shorts.
Wintston,
I’m sorry to cut our relationship short, but ESPN Classics is showing “The Fish that Saved Pittsburgh” right now, and I really need to concentrate on the movie without any distractions, since my pitiful little I.D.-addled conservative brain cannot handle complex discussions and intellectual movies at the same time. Plus, I’ve got to clean some guns tonight, and if I have some free time after that, I’ll bash some gays, take away the college funds of poor minority children, and finish it all off by strangling some endangered critters with my bare hands.
I’m sure you understand. If you need someone to talk to, my friend Geoff specializes in a particular form of “therapy” that may do you quite a bit of good.
Russ-
Considering that I haven’t addressed you once, you took this very personally. I’m sorry. Actually, I found this because it was shoved in my face when I logged into my wordpress account. If you don’t want people shining a light on your conversation, please don’t make the blog and comments section public.
I did not call everyone who disagrees with me ‘anti-intellectual’. I said that Skinbad using phrases like ‘ethnic disabled vajayjay celebration courses’ is anti-intellectual. I stand by that assessment and do not see how it is name-calling.
Furthermore, if we are talking about introducing ‘Conservative Studies’ on campus, it’s perfectly valid to bring up ID-that’s been the pet cause that conservatives have been trying to get everyone to study, right? And if we’re going to talk about conservative economic theory, it is perfectly legitimate to talk about conswervative economic practice which we have seen in action for the past six years.
I don’t know why you think it would be difficult to establish consensus on historical fact unless you have some crazy ideas as to what constitutes historical fact.
I’m not a troll. This is my face and real name. I enjoyed watching you argue with yourself while pretending it’s me. It was a funny puppet show!
-WD
lauraw-
I think you hit the nail on the head-many of you are venting your anger at your professors on me. I’m not defending every asshole you’ve ever had to deal with in the classroom. Many professors are petty tyrants who are convinced of their own divine infallibility. Why do you think I never finished college?
-WD
winston, you’re right to be alarmed and nervous about this development. Conservatives would try to stop great “cutting edge” courses being taught in our top schools, such as Interspecies Communication: Can We Really Talk with the Animals?.
Daveintexas-
You wouldn’t want to see me in biker shorts. It’s real ugly.
-WD
Russ-
I’m sorry you’re so paranoid and angry. We don’t have a relationship, dude. You don’t know anything about me. One small example:
I am in favor of private gun ownership.
Ta daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasshole.
-WD
WD, is small business owner who is an artist just another way of saying you haven’t yet figured out what you want to be when you grow up? Based on what you have written here, I’m sure that your goal of finding a position in the “Superior to You” field is going to be a hard row to hoe. At least you’ve got the superior attitude down pat, if not the actual superior part.
I didn’t say you’d be wearing the shorts, at least not in the customary sense.
Oh, no! WD thinks “my” blog is cute! And neat! And Christian.
He must’ve spent a long time there checking that out.
“Funny puppet show?” I knew it was Gleen.
winaton-
I am not alarmed or nervous. Ideas have to stand on their own two feet or they die. In a worst case scenario, we’ll weaken science standards and start teaching ID. After a generation or so, standards will be so bad that we’ll have to go back to the real science.
I base this on the example of the Soviet misadventure with the rejection of Darwinian evolution and Mendellian genetics because they weren’t ‘ideologically compatible’ with Communism. Scientific dissent of Lysenko’s ideas of environmentally acquired inheritance were outlawed and the Soviet Union fell behind in the biological sciences for more than a generation. Eventually they realized their mistake. ID=Lysenkoism.
-WD
So…it’s anti-intellectual to think that “women’s studies” is a course of study that involves little more than regurgitating the latest leftist cant? Well, chalk me up in the anti-intellectual column, then.
By the way, given you’re the one talking about not putting words in people’s mouths, perhaps you should find some examples of commenters here actually supporting ID before you mouth off about it.
He’s not projecting Mrs. Peel. He said that many times.
Winston, you speak disingenuously out of both corners of your mouth and are no longer worth my time. I suspect you are an insane Ron Paul Trutherbot critter.
Rest of you guys, see ya tomorrow. Sleep tight, darling shnookums.
Cranky-
Oh, you’ve figured me out! Cut to the quick! Ah, I am bleeding…
Oh… no, you’ve got it all wrong. So sorry. My mistake. Try again. No, really, do. It’s hilarious.
I will send fifty dollars to the person who can guess what my actual 40 hour a week occupation is. I’m serious.
-WD
I found this because it was shoved in my face when I logged into my wordpress account.
winston, I’m sick of these rightwing corporate fascist puppets imposing their propaganda on everyone. They’ve infested the internet and hide behind these phony “non-political” blogs with their “innocent” posts about dogs and recipes.
nite kid, same here.
it’s perfectly valid to bring up ID-that’s been the pet cause that conservatives have been trying to get everyone to study, right?
No. At least not me. As a conservative fundamentalist Christian, I think ID is bullshit.
Well, I shouldn’t say bullshit. It’s an interesting idea. Suffice it to say that every testable hypothesis that ID has come up with has turned out to be false. Meaning, ID is not bullshit, it’s just not science.
I said that Skinbad using phrases like ‘ethnic disabled vajayjay celebration courses’ is anti-intellectual.
…or it could be humorous conservative shorthand for a series of long-established arguments concerning the dubious academic validity of departments and courses which focus on victimization rather than achievement.
Another humorless wannabe pedant.
Everyone-
Thank you all for making me feel so welcome. I have never spent a Sunday evening in front of the television with a warmer and more charming group of people. Your hospitality is legendary.
There’s nothing I love more than people taking a pause from sneering at handicapped people to call me names. Really, it’s great. At least now you’re picking on someone who can fight back. I can tell you don’t like that. You prefer your sneering go unchallenged. Am I supereior to you? Only if sneering makes you superior. And I am the first to admit that it doesn’t. Nonetheless, I thank God in Heaven that I’m not waking up to your life tomorrow. Good luck with that.
Goodnight.
-WD
Winston, I’m going to guess your full time gig is Asshole. Is it a union position? Much overtime?
Good night good people.
I see Mrs Peel at #63 beat me to my point. Typical. No respect for her elders.
There’s nothing I love more than people taking a pause from sneering at handicapped people to call me names.
Someone was getting an adrenaline rush.
ooops, that was me, sorry
They also sneer at minorities, winston.
And ponies.
One of the biggest fallacies shared among libs is that a liberal political philosophy is synonymous with open-mindedness. It’s a semantic trick they employ on themselves, as well as their ideological opponents. You can see from the reaction described in the post just how open-minded liberals are.
That’s just like her to steal your thunder geoff.
punk.
There’s nothing I love more than people taking a pause from sneering at handicapped people to call me names.
And Winsty lurches about with the goalposts. Originally the argument was (correctly) that we were mocking academia. Now he claims we were mocking the handicapped.
Not very intellectual.
He whipped out every conservative stereo type in the book.
I gotta hand it to him though as he fit the moobat criteria to a tee. He used every liberal talking point there is.
bushhalliburtonblackwater
That’s just like her to steal your thunder geoff.
Isn’t it? Fortunately WDG has provided us with a wealth of inanity to pick apart, so there’s plenty to go around. As long as Mrs. P. takes off the troll feedbag once in awhile, that is.
Your hospitality is legendary.
It ought to be. How many times did y’all show him the door?
Sorry, geoff. Next time, I will make a chart of everything we should say, and we can trade off on who gets to make which point.
Troll’s right about one thing, though. You guys do mock the handicapped all the time. At least one of them. *sulks*
(Just to relieve any guilty consciences: yes, I’m kidding.)
At least now you’re picking on someone who can fight back. I can tell you don’t like that.
Continuing with the goalpost theme. Academics can’t fight back? It’s so sad that their all their vaunted intellectual empowerment cripples their argumentation skills.
Oh, he meant the handicapped? The people we never picked on? Talk about tilting at windmills.
Next time, I will make a chart of everything we should say, and we can trade off on who gets to make which point.
A chart? You really know my weak points.
I’ll take the odds, you take the evens.
You guys do mock the handicapped all the time.
Yes, we should be more sensitive to the young.
Winston’s profession can’t possibly be “asshole” since he refers to it as his “40 hour a week gig”. I can’t believe that a “suuuuuuuuper genius” like Mr. Winston could limit himself to 40 hours of assholishness in a week’s time.
That brings up the point that made me turn the computer back on & post this reply: You’re lying & I think I can prove it.
You refer to yourself as a successful businessman without a college degree who dislikes corporate robber barons - but you also refer to your profession as a “40 hour a week gig”. I am a small businessman, and interact with other small businessmen & women on a daily basis, and I have NEVER met one of them who clocks out when their timesheet reads 40 hours per week.
I don’t think it’s impossible to be successful without a college degree (duh, does Bill Gates ring a bell?), but every successful non-college grad I know works his/her ass off to stay successful. You know what kind of businessman/woman is successful working a mere 40 hours a week? The kind that either underpay their help, or overcharge their clients, which makes your dislike of robber barons a signal to me that you’re not one of these people.
My guess for your profession? Are you one of the guys who shleps the tray full of lukewarm Old Style up and down the stairs out in the bleachers at Wrigley Field? Don’t get me wrong - that’s a honorable way to make a living, but it hardly qualifies you to lecture all of us on the TRUE leanings of academia. I was gonna guess that your livelihood involves blowing guys for $50 a pop in an alley off Lower Wacker Drive, but that’s not the sort of thing you ask a new acquantaince about, now is it?
Well back to quantum, studying for my test on Wednesday. I’m on p. 45 of my easy-reader quantum book, and I’ve got to get through p. 300 by morning, doing all the problems along the way. Then I move to the more advanced texts on Monday and Tuesday. And somewhere between now and Wednesday morning I have to get my next lecture written up (currently only about 15% finished).
Talk about hating academia.
Oh yeah? Well, I have to do a hardware test on Friday. From 8 A.M. to midnight. That’s right, sixteen hours straight.
Anyway, I guess your troubles mean that I shouldn’t link to this cool new game I just discovered. I haven’t gotten past the first section yet…
Shit, I spend a weekend at Homecoming and trying to have some fun(since the Rams suck ass), and look at what happens.
Winston:
Just a bit of advice:
Notice your comments weren’t blocked/deleted/banned, and you weren’t blocked from the site? Why not try that sort of freedom on your site?
And if you’re an artist, is that the kind who stands on the street corner with their guitar case open, or the kind who has to telemarket until you “catch a break”?
Might I clarify:
My undergrad’s homecoming. My daghter had a blast going down some gigantic inflatable slide with me, and I had plenty of cheap beer.
Geoff made me touch my finger to my nose. Stop that, Geoff!
I said that Skinbad using phrases like ‘ethnic disabled vajayjay celebration courses’ is anti-intellectual.
…or it could be humorous conservative shorthand for a series of long-established arguments concerning the dubious academic validity of departments and courses which focus on victimization rather than achievement.
I confess. I was exaggerating. Winston can feel free to strike out either “ethnic” or “disabled” from that sentence. BUT NOT BOTH!
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So I left a comment on Winnie’s site. Let’s see how long he lets it stay.
I have a feeling that the comments to troll’s post won’t be as sweet as the ones to euphro’s. “Oh, my darling euphro, you are sooooo smart! Your intellect pierces through the shadows of ignorance like a laser! Don’t comment over there with those troglodytes! All they know is ‘ugg, fire bad’!”
Uggh. Scary adventure game bad. Need read happy book before bed so not have bad dream.
Ouch! Knuckles bleeding again. Ground too hard.
Well, euphro deleted every critical comment. And I still can’t find the proof of mocking disabled people on this thread.
What if winston’s mother read this filth?
You all should be ashamed of yourselves for mocking the handicapped. You owe the disabled community an apology.
Winston wrote:
Since I never said anything remotely like ‘we’re smarter than you’
Just after having written:
By studying other cultures and viewpoints other than one’s own, there is an inevitable opening of the mind that occurs.
Yeah, how on earth could being called closed-minded be interpreted as an insult to our intelligence?
Like LauraW, my parents are both immigrants. One of them fled here with my grandparents, leaving everything behind, because of the real-world horrors of Marxist fantasies which “open-minded” academics peddle to this day.
Do not be so arrogant as to assume that we’re right-wingers simply because we’ve never been outside of our home towns.
Seriously, Winston, you seem nice. I just think you don’t know many right-wingers, and you have a bunch of unexamined stereotypes in your head, because you’re inadvertently saying a bunch of ignorant and insulting stuff here.
We’re not a bad bunch, and really don’t mind differences of opinion; you’d be surprised at how much we all disagree with each other on some pretty fundamental issues. But, your insulting stereotypes of us are tiresome. Let me remind you, you showed up here, insulting us.
And no, I’m not talking about the joke you made (inbred hicks and whatnot), because that was funny. I’m talking about the stereotypes you don’t even realize you’re employing.
Oh, dearests…
I happen to know Winston personally, and while I won’t divulge his actual occupation, he does more good in an hour than most of us do in a week–myself included. (And I am just that damned impressive.)
As for the debate on “conservative studies”–well, there’s plenty of room in the university curriculum for things like econ, business, religious studies (none of which are purely “conservative”), and the like. I am, in fact, one of those “ivory-tower” liberals (and let me tell you all, we’re faced with far more “real-world” grown-up stuff than you think we are. I’m sorry if you were kicked around by obnoxious profs–though in my own experience, those who feel they’ve been slighted in some way usually 1.) don’t do the assignments as specified (most of which do NOT involve writing essays explaining why hugging a tree is a splendid thing to do); 2.) use it as an excuse for not doing well; 3.) recoil at not being able to dominate the discussions in class (my hardcore conservatives tend to be the most vocal, sometimes to the detriment of the class).
And–I say this with the caveat that I once had a Latin-American lit course which turned into a militant Latin feminist lesbian course, taught by a woman of that persuasion who told us it would be darned near impossible for a white male to get an A in her course, because we could never understand. (Possibly true, but I wouldn’t have minded trying.) She, however, is the rare exception.
The overwhelming majority of those of us who teach in the Humanities try to be inclusive of various views–but this does not mean uncritically inclusive. I will not be teaching ID any time soon, nor will I allow my students to kick around gays, the handicapped, or minorities (especially since some of those folks are also sitting in the classroom with them). It isn’t about PC, loves, it’s about respect–as in, you can’t expect someone to respect you if you automatically have a “firewall” set up in your mind that dismisses anyone who isn’t just like you. And you cannot tell me that those who push so very, very hard to force high school and college teachers to teach Creationism and/or ID along with evolution aren’t ultimately aiming to have ONLY Creationism taught. (They may tell you different, but I’ve listened to a lot of Christian radio and even infiltrated a local group.)
And–AND–if you don’t see any value in women’s studies, or culture studies, or any form of self-reflection, then you probably don’t think it’s especially important to understand the culture in which you live. And while it’s not a skill you can immediately market when you graduate, understanding your culture (or others) can be profitable. (Karl Rove’s understanding of the power and application of myth and symbol speaks volumes about this–though, ironically, I’m sure he wouldn’t get the connection–as do the various conventions of doing business overseas. (i.e. if you’re a lefty, don’t offer that hand to an Arab.)
Oh, dearests…,/i>
Patronize much?
As for the debate on “conservative studies”–well, there’s plenty of room in the university curriculum for things like econ, business, religious studies (none of which are purely “conservative”), and the like.
That’s exactly the point of the post. Welcome aboard. The fact that liberal professors at U of I don’t share your viewpoint, however, is the item of interest here. Your perspective doesn’t shed much light on their situation. Perhaps if you called them up, starting the discussion with “Oh dearests…” I’m sure they would quickly rally to your position with a compelling opener like that.
And while it’s not a skill you can immediately market when you graduate, understanding your culture (or others) can be profitable.
I think the far more common path to riches arises via the cottage industry of victimization that has grown up over the past two decades. Rather than healing the wounds, they pick at them until they fester.
Nobody here believes that understanding others has no value - but many of us do believe that the academy has taken it to an extreme. Understanding has been replaced by the fostering of resentment and a sense of entitlement.
We mock women’s studies because they have gone the way of NOW - once vital, now merely strident.
We mock cultural studies because they place value on culture rather than on cultural values.
And we mock minority studies because they have become a barrier to resolution of racial conflict - they themselves are perpetuating the evils they were invented to dispel.
Trying to understand our culture through the prism of those types of studies gives a skewed, divisive, self-defeating perspective.
But the greatest irony lies in the admonitions by you and WDG that we need to understand our culture, when obviously neither of you has an inkling about conservative culture. Or even an interest in starting to learn about it.
though in my own experience, those who feel they’ve been slighted in some way
I wasn’t slighted at uni. I studied science, for the most part, anyhow. In my required humanities classes, I was spoon-fed a bunch of leftist BS, which I believed at the time, and it was only years later that I realized how one-sided and wrong much of it was.
i.e. if you’re a lefty, don’t offer that hand to an Arab
Wow, really?
Again, you assume that we’re right-wing because we’re ignorant.
They may tell you different, but I’ve listened to a lot of Christian radio and even infiltrated a local group
Well, like you, I’m an “evolutionist”. But I’m no secret agent, and I’ve never infiltrated any Christianist cells, so I wouldn’t know.
One thing I do know is that at typical secular American universities (i.e. Oral Roberts U doesn’t count), which are what we’re discussing here, there is simply no danger of young earth creationism or whatever being shoved down students’ throats. None whatsoever.
But the greatest irony lies in the admonitions by you and WDG that we need to understand our culture
Yeah, that cracked me up, too. We’re being scolded about understanding cultures by people who don’t have even the most basic grasp of 50% of their own country.
Sandy, head over to the Hostage’s and check out mesa’s and WP’s first date.
you can’t expect someone to respect you if you automatically have a “firewall” set up in your mind that dismisses anyone who isn’t just like you
There’s nothing like sweet, sweet irony first thing in the morning.
And when did we support ID or “kick around” anyone other than ivory tower academics? Hint: Thinking that any course with the word “studies” in it is very likely stupid is not the same as thinking that the subject of the course is stupid or not worthy of study.
Just for some equal-opportunity bashing here: Engineering academics can be irritating, too. When I was getting my undergrad degree, I found that almost every professor respected only those students who intend to remain in academia. Those of us who intended to work in the real world were generally disdained.
eddiebear, surprise! There are no comments over at Winston’s unhappy teahouse.
Now I can check off the “Free Speech For Me, But Not For Thee Unless I Agree With You” box on the Winston tally sheet, along with Intelligent Design, Halliburton, Blackwater and Bush & Company.
Predictable.
PA, I suppose he felt hypocritical — he now has comments. Check his blog header: ‘Fearlessly the idiot faced the crowd, smiling…’
Apparently he has some self-awareness.
Perhaps he suffers from remorse?
cranky, direct link please? I still don’t see any comments.
Oh dearests, my, my, my……
His blog has a really nice picture of Jesus on the cross and then of course he has an unfortunate quote on it.
Execute Criminals For Jesus.
All makes sense now
Religious tolerance
Ol’ Winston ain’t so smart. He thought drum was the right anwer. Everbody knows you can beat a drum and you can beat a woman but you can’t beat sex! Duh.
So, Winnie says he’s had enough, yet he sends a “professor” friend to write yet another closed minded and patronizing message over here?
Our liberal folk’s comments are bothersome to me. I see them labeling conservatives without bothering to learn from our views or try to respect our opinions or experiences.
Many conservatives not only study other cultures in universities, books, etc, but bother to go to other countries spending time, money, energy, etc. to learn about the people and relate to them.
I have many conservative friends who have traveled, sharing their passions and experiences, and talking about how these times have helped them grow and learn. Here is one example that seems to fit this discussion (but I have plenty more):
A friend spent years in a foreign country teaching English to people who are hungry to know this language. Whether the world likes it or not, others know that English will help them economically for the rest of their lives. My friend was paid next to nothing to do this, although professionally trained and certified in education and also with knowledge of their culture before she entered it…in a sense investing herself in her passion. So this friend returns to the U.S. and continues to teach English as a second language here for more years to the same cultural community from where she had herself been an expat. She not only had professional training and education, but also the experience to teach in this manner. So later she decides that she wants the TESL endorsement here in the states and returns to University to take a few more courses she “needs” for this endorsement.
What she endured in those supposedly academic classes in a highly ranked public university should never have happened. Whenever she tried to participate in discussions, she was subjected to bile similar to what has been spewed on this IB-thread, but over and over again every day in class. This was done by not only other students who communicated arrogance and superiority, but also encouraged and done by the professors. She got her endorsement, but was hurt (and physically affected through the constant verbal abuse and hostility) and saddened by the experience is this academic environment.
It seems that the good ole Liberal arts education, with the word Liberal meaning “thinking freely” is no longer. It has been replaced by many with something… evil and wrong.
I think that is much of what we are all trying to say — that it is important to listen to others and stay in dialog. But from the metacognizant stuff we experienced here in this IB-thread — its pretty plain to see the truth of the matter…if one bothers to look.
I would love to stay and discuss more, but I’m traveling to Southeast Ohio in a bit to do “disaster relief” ministry to the poor there.
He’s living in his own world.
Disabled vajayjay = sneering at handicapped people. I finally understand. Makes perfect sense now. Thanks to PJM for helping me figure this puzzle out.
Cathy, you are much too kind. I admire you for that.
since the courageous and enlightened winston bravely moderates his comments, I sincerely doubt the comment I made there will ever see the light of day, so I thought I would also put it here, so that the immense multitude of winston’s readers that will stop by here, thanks to his trackback, will have a chance to read it:
winston,
Perhaps if they knew you were handicapped, they wouldn’t have sneered at you. Of course, I blame them for not recognizing your obvious metal retardation much sooner and treating you with more compassion once they did.
Evil bastards, the lot of them. Bless you for standing up to those evil, evil thugs. You, sir, are quite possibly one of the bravest men I have ever seen on the internet.
I would love to stay and discuss more, but I’m traveling to Southeast Ohio in a bit to do “disaster relief” ministry to the poor there.
The liberal view of what you’re doing is brainwashing them while they’re down and out. They’re much more susceptible to your indoctrination then.
d’uh - “metal” = “mental”, of course.
damn wrist-brace, messsinkg wit mi tiping .
How do you disable a vajayjay? Is that like disabling comments to your blog, or is there some surgery involved?
How do you disable a vajayjay?
Would that be anything like breaking one?
my vajayjay has crutches
So, Winnie says he’s had enough, yet he sends a “professor” friend to write yet another closed minded and patronizing message over here?
Sock puppet, I’ll bet.
“my vajayjay has crutches”
Could be worse. You could have a brace on it.
my vajayjay has crutches
You need to give it the Brian Atene treatment:
“My vajayjay has . . . keeeerrrrutches.”
My comment was a banal one asking when IBers started mocking the disabled. No insulting. Nothing.
Oh well, just like Euphro before, Winston thinks (s)he is better and smarter than everyone else, yet refuses to post anything challenging them, no matter how tame the question was/is.
I can think of at least one solid reason academia is primarily liberal; when conservatives try to do academics they come up with garbage like ‘Intelligent Design’, wheras liberal secular heathen scientists give us things like moder medicine, which kind of work better than that whole ‘ID’ thing.
What is “moder medicine”?
What is “moder medicine”?
I don’t usually pick on typos, but the one in the 2nd paragraph of #72 was especially ironic.
Brave Sir Robin.
Can you put a broken vajayjay in a cast?
I named her “Tiny Tina” Merry Christmas to all
Yes you can. The lines are easy to learn, but the costume is cumbersome.
130 was for Dave. I don’t know if you can put one in a chorus line.
[rimshot]
found it, geoff: Am I supereior to you?
ASSGERBIL!
Patty Ann, the link I followed was to his Teahouse of the Evil Buddha, something like that, blog at http://winstondelgado.wordpress.com/
well, color me shocked. the supereior winston actually allowed my comment to appear.
probably means he didn’t understand it. poor little handicapped guy.
cranky, thanks. I saw that finally. I thought you meant he had comments from us.
wiser, I’ve been resisting, but what did you do to your wrist?? Are you handicapped now?
laura, are you still busy with Hugh Jackman? Please post a blow-by-blow so to speak.
wiser, I’ve been resisting, but what did you do to your wrist?? Are you handicapped now?
Why, do you want to sneer at me now?
nope, but if I had your picture, I’d put you through pajamamomma’s celebrity look-alike wayback machine.
does the work other commenters won’t do
Just figured it was more fun to go look for it.
Sorry, that was meant for the other others—the ones that wouldn’t go looking for your referenced typo—not you, geoff.
But as Troll would point out, we should all embrace the Other. Otherwise, otherness will become another … {shutting up}
check out mesa’s and WP’s first date.
Thank heavens nobody was hurt (that we know of).
looked like they had a good time.
Personally, I liked being called “dearest” and “love” by Projessor J. It made me feel like screwin’ a farm animal or something.
Not a cousin? Oops. I said too much.
Brian Atene!
I’m Chortling Like A Winston Delgado.
“Chortling Like A Winston Delgado”
CLAWD
Damn! Damn! Damn! I missed a rather nice thread this weekend (It was both Spousal Unit’s and Eldest Son’s Birthday Weekend).
Here is Mr M’s 2 cents worth:
I do believe in ID, it more logical than Creationism and Evolution.
Winston displays a typical liberal attitude and view point of a liberal, he is condescending and demeaning because he believes he is superior to the rest of us conservatives. So much for being “open-minded”
Winston also assumes that conservatives care nothing about other cultures, and is totally incorrect in his assumption. I have worked in the High Tech industry for many years, which tends to have a very diverse culture. I made it a point to talk to them, discuss their cultures, because I found it very interesting and insightful. But I never made the mistake of believing that they were better or worse because they were different. I believe our Judeo-Christian value system, and culture is superior, not because of the religious background, but our culture believes all people are equal in God’s eyes, regardless of their religion or culture. We believe in a larger range of freedoms than you will find anywhere else, we are more acceptant to other peoples cultures than they are to our. What has driven our culture towards to sewer is not it’s diversity, it’s freedoms or religious Judeo-Christian background, but the limitations of Political Correctness, the corruption of moral relativism and and the hatred of secularism has placed on it.
As for the original premise that this post written about, Closed Minded Liberal Academia, I cannot speak to it with experience, I received my Engineering Degree from a strictly Engineering school, thus, and by choice, avoiding the liberal crap you had to endure in the Humanities required courses. The real issue with these tainted institutions of higher learning is not their Liberal bent, it is their closed-mindedness, their inability to hear or understand a opposing viewpoint, and the unwillingness of allowing anyone confront them with the truth of their narrow viewpoint.
It boils down to: The Emperor has no clothes, and they hate to have that fact pointed out to them.
If I misspeell any words, or their is a sentence structure problem, well TFB, I am an Engineer, and substance is more important than proper commas or spelling.
“By studying other cultures and viewpoints other than one’s own, there is an inevitable opening of the mind that occurs.”
One thing that strikes me about leftist multi-culti cant, is that Americans (and westerners in general) need to study other peoples and cultures or else we’re missing out, while third world folk need to be kept in pristine condition (i.e. ignorance).
Question: I’ve actually lived in the third world. I learned an exotic musical instrument, ate some delicious and alimentary-canal searing food, met some great hard-working people and some laughable jerks, picked up a few words of a dying language, saw some pretty country, talked some politics with people from various walks of life.
And yet here I am, a religious conservative with little patience for cultural relativism and its advocates.
How does that happen? Is it a moral defect, or an intellectual defect? What must I do to attain this true enlightenment of which the Professah speaks?
How does that happen? Is it a moral defect, or an intellectual defect?
It’s our fault, doophus. Retards like us are dragging you down, and stunting your native multicultural impulses.
RUN, SEE-DUBYA, RUN AWAY AND SAVE YOURSELF!!!
BTW, I have multicultural experiences all the time. This results from the fact that I have people reporting to me in five countries on four continents. The majority are women. This gives me many opportunities to interact with diverse individuals, expand my cultural horizons, and subject them all to the iron feet of white male Western oppression.
So, don’t tell me I’m not multicultural!
Yeah, libs always underestimate the amount of cultural knowledge it takes to thoroughly oppress the less fortunate. It’s a full-time job, I tell ya.
Also noting that WDG, brave and lonely defender of the victims we never mocked, is the only person on this thread to mock a cultural sub-group.
Damn it! I wrote a nice long and well thought out comment on why WD is liberal wearing blinders, and then wordpress ate it!
So instead of rewriting it, I will paraphrase:
Liberals are closed minded, Academia hates distention against their liberal views, and conservatives do interact with other cultures, we just are not buying into the idea that they are better.
Oh and ID is right, Darwinism is wrong
I kicked the filter in the nards for ya Mr. M.
Didn’t want to miss a word.
Dave - You Da Man!
Everyone-
Wow. That’s a lot of attention you’ve all given little old me. First of all, I don’t actually moderate my comments, I just don’t know how to turn the moderator off, but please, go over than and tell me how much you hate me if it will make you feel better. As soon as I finish this I will go straight over there and figure out how to allow you to post immediately so that you may view your smeared feces right away. I know that waiting spoils the effect. I do appreciate that you’ve not blocked me from posting here, but I figure I’m giving you something to talk about and it’s fun for me.
Professor J-I have a feeling I know who you are and appreciate what you brought to the discussion. However, we are talking about a pearls before swine situation here. None of my friends should bother wading into this and I would rather you didn’t as you only fuel the charges of puppetry-if you are familiar with my dialogues with Selwyn Duke you know of whence I speak. In fact, if you’re a stranger and you agree with anything I say, that’s great but keep your silence on this thread. I don’t need your help with these people.
Brewfan-a woman beating joke. How charming and original. I think I heard that twenty years ago. You and Geoff truly have done nothing to advance the stereotype that ‘conservative humor’ is meanspirited and unfunny. I do appreciate being called a ‘humorless wannabe pendant’, however. Let me ask you, are people who display nooses to African-Americans just using ‘humorous conservative shorthand’? Or would you agree that is an offensively hostile gesture? Or what if I made a conservative-beating joke? Would that be equally hilarious as a woman-beating one? Please educate me as I am a humorless wannabe pendandt who has no idea as to what constitues this thing you call ‘humor’.
Russ-I never said I was a successful businessman. It’s a real business that makes me money that I spend but it’s not my primary source of income at this point in my life. I have a deep appreciation and love for the power of capitalism. It can transform not only lives, but the world. But that doesn’t mean that it’s all good all the time-the power to transform is vast, indifferent and must be wielded wisely.
Geoff again-’Also noting that WDG, brave and lonely defender of the victims we never mocked, is the only person on this thread to mock a cultural sub-group.’
I don’t know if this is more of that ‘humorous conservative shorthand’ or an attempt at irony, but it does bring me to my final point: Today I showed the original post to a black woman with cerebral palsy and she agreed with me, for the most part. I know it may sound terribly unlikely, but I am surrounded everyday by all sorts of hyphenated people and she was actually looking over my shoulder when I was approving your comments to my blog when she asked me about what she saw on the screen. I brought up this post and the thread. She read it and we had an interesting conversation about political debate and rhetoric. She found it hilarious that a site that had posters with avatars like ‘digitalbrownshirt’ and ’stupid typical fucking moonbat’ were accusing me of stereotyping them. She also found it hilarious that y’all insist on painting me as a typical liberal stereotype-her exact words were ‘they haven’t met you, have they?’
I certainly have touched a nerve with you people, I’ll say that. All I’m really trying to do is tell you what you sound like to people who aren’t you. If you wish to be offensive, you should not be shocked or surprised that people take offense. I certainly am not shocked or surprised by any of your responses-after all, I provoked them. I actually enjoy talking with people who think differently from me-especially conservatives. We have far more in common than we have separating us.
I also apologize for all typos. I have an IQ of 87 and sometimes have difficulty operating the computer.
-WD
I have an IQ of 87 and sometimes have difficulty operating the computer.
winston, you also suffer from delusion. Seek help.
PS-
Whoever complained about the ‘Execute Criminals’ t-shirt. That was meant to be an anti-death penalty statement meant to tweak Christians who support the death penalty. No disrespect intended to Jesus-remember, the only individual He promised He would see in Heaven was hanging on the cross next to Him!
-WD
Right. A complaint.
Yeah, we’re all tweaked.
Tweaked with hateness.
Bart-
Hateness at who?
Everyone-
Figured it out! You may comment away with abandon!
-WD
Geoff, you said-
We mock women’s studies because they have gone the way of NOW - once vital, now merely strident.
We mock cultural studies because they place value on culture rather than on cultural values.
And we mock minority studies because they have become a barrier to resolution of racial conflict - they themselves are perpetuating the evils they were invented to dispel.
Trying to understand our culture through the prism of those types of studies gives a skewed, divisive, self-defeating perspective. ‘
What about the disabled? Why do you mock the disabled? Please enlighten me.
-WD
remember, the only individual He promised He would see in Heaven was hanging on the cross next to Him!
Oh great. Another troll who gets his theology from the back of cereal boxes.
“In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am there you may be also.” - Jesus Christ
P.S. If you heard that joke 20 years ago why didn’t you know the answer? And why were you l