When Do You Stop Letting Your Child See You Naked? July 22, 2008
Posted by Michael in Family.trackback
Pajama Mama wants to know.
Today I was changing into my swim-suit top, I’d already had my bottoms on and my 4 year old son walked in. I didn’t rush to cover up because he’d never really paid much attention before. I mean he’d say, “You’re naked! hahaha!” or, “You have nipples!” or “You have a biiiiiiiiig butt”, but today everything was different.
He looked at me and said, “I like to see you naked.” I asked him why and he said, “because you’re a lady and it’s pretty.”
{{{SHUDDER}}}
I’d say the right time to quit is right about now….
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24066128-29277,00.html
“It puts undue pressure on parents who are trying to explain to children why they can not see the movie,” Mr Iemma said.
“It is hard enough for parents to resist a child’s plea for toys let alone ones promoting an adult movie when they’re free with kiddie meals.”
Why yes Mr. Iemma, yes it does make it difficult, particularly if you’re one of those parents who lets your kids dictate and push you around because you’re a ninny.
It puts undue pressure on parents who are trying to explain to children why they can not see the movie,” Mr Iemma said.
I think he makes a pretty good point, though. Would it be acceptable for McDonald’s to have Sopranos Happy Meals or Sex and the City Action Figures? Of course not, because those shows have adult themes and are not meant for kids, just like The Dark Knight.
Just because it’s based on a comic book figure doesn’t mean it’s for kids. And marketing this movie to kids is wrong and it does make it a bit more complicated to explain why they can have Batman toys and posters and comic books, but then they can’t go see the movie.
Yeah, wiser, but whose job is it to tell the marketers that they’re off base? Is this picky detail crap the role of government?
Also: check out how the men get in the middle of this little scrap. I love it! http://www.kirotv.com/video/16945318/index.html
Wow, PJM. That is quite a wake up call! heh.
I keep my door closed when I’m changing, but someone invariably barges in.
Just wait until one of your son’s friends looks at you in a male way and says to your son: “who’s the chick?” It will happen.
did my comment go to spam? it was brilliant.
Acceptable to me? No. If (when my girls were little) McDonald’s decided to market cockburgers and tater tits, then I just wouldn’t have let them eat there.
I could make some pop culture arguments in the same vein about Britney Spears and Miley what’s-her-name, we’d just be arguing degrees then.
Marketers are going to push shit at your kids every day, and have since they learned to bang two rocks together.
OT: We Texans are a sad lot when we find ourselves cheering a Cat 1 hurricane to turn just a little more east to get some rain.
I’d offer you some of ours hon, but I’m just enjoying it too much. Overcast and rumbly here. Refreshing.
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turn just a little more east to get some rain
I was thinking the same thing. “Hey Dolly, this way!”
Yeah, wiser, but whose job is it to tell the marketers that they’re off base?
The people’s. I’m not calling for any sort of governmental intervention, and, unless I’m missing some nuance here, it doesn’t look like Mr. lemma is calling for that either. Sounds like he is simply using his bully pulpit to make a statement.
Also, maybe by making this statement, he will wake up some more parents to the crap that their kids are being assaulted with on a daily basis and they will start to do something about it too. I agree with Dave. If I don’t like what the company is doing, I take my business elsewhere. But doesn’t it make sense to let them know why you are taking you business elsewhere? If everyone who objects to this marketing of adult themes to our kids actually made it clear why they were boycotting their products, maybe the marketers will actually get the point.
And it’s not just being at the restaurant that makes it tough. The non-stop television commercials, billboards, radio ads, newspaper ads, etc. also contribute to the sales pitch, without ever having to step foot inside of a McDonalds.
Just telling the children to not watch TV is unrealistic. I watch the Yankees games with my son. How do I stop him from being pelted with these ads?
And just so you know, Miley What’s-her-name and Britney are light-years apart, as far as the messages being presented. I watch Hanna Montana with my kids and I have no problem with that show.
While I was waiting at the Temple last night, a couple of guys were having a discussion on hurricanes. They were talking about how they and their kids would complain that they never experienced a really cool hurricane.
“I was living in Texas and never got to experience a real hurricane! I was unhappy. Whenver a hurricane would approach, I’d hope it’d turn a little so we could experience it.”
Which reminds me of this:
http://xkcd.com/453/
Ah, ok WB. I can live with that.
I was speaking specifically to Miley’s VF photo shoot, if that’s an anomaly, fine. Let’s hope she’s not a Britney in training.
Musli I was being a little facetious; if it were a Cat 3 or stronger storm, I’d be very worried for those in its path. 3 is mandatory evacation, and I still remember the thousands and thousands of refugees from Katrina and Rita (and the NO post-Katrina flooding). I don’t even remember how many meals this community served at the Expo center in those weeks. I do remember the manager at Sams saying he had pre-ordered a truckload of frozen lasagnas.
I’m sure they were facetious too. Or not: maybe they wanted a cat. 1 or so just to say they survived one. (These were mainly Midwest folks who lived temporarily in FL and TX.)
A few weeks ago, I was in class and the tornado alarm went off. I looked out the window and the cloud formation was gorgeous. Black, moving faster than the white clouds above. It was beautiful. Fortunately, no tornado. But it was my first tornado warning (and I’ve been here for about ten years now)!
Dang, it’s beautiful in central Ohio today. Happy no storms here.
Low to mid 70’s. Sunny. Few clouds. Nice breeze.
THANK GOODNESS because I opened containers of gardening chemicals in my utility room and stunk up the entire house. Smell even got into my skin, hair and clothing. What a moron!
Ended up turning off the AC units, opening up all the windows in the house, washing down cabinetry in laundry room, taking a shower, shampooing my hair and doing a load of laundry.
*note to self*don’t open gardening chemicals inside*ever*again*
fixed it KC.
And yes, it was brilliant. I can remember saying the same thing to my friend Russell Schroeder in 1977.
His mom was smokin!
*also grateful no home showings scheduled today*
I don’t have children, but my answer would be “Better to err on the side of less nudity”.
I don’t have children, but my answer would be “Better to err on the side of less nudity”.
And in some cases, this is a fine idea anyway, regardless of whether there are children involved or not.
Present company excluded, of course.
We started giving our kids their privacy when they were able to wipe themselves, and that is when we gave it to ourselves too.
Seemed like a good decision at the time and I don’t regret it.
Yeah, having had daughters growin up in the house, I avoided nekkidity early on, and started the “bathrobe” rule around 4 or so.
Of course, now that they’re gone I suffer no such encumbrances. Better knock when you come over.
I do however insist that when Mr. Hugh Jackman, my close personal friend, comes to visit, he remain attired at all times.
Gardening….chemicals?
/crunchy Con disapproval
Does “attired” mean a faded pair of cutoff jeans and nothing else?
We started giving our kids their privacy when they were able to wipe themselves, and that is when we gave it to ourselves too.
Wow, that brings back a dim memory: Yelling “Mom! I’m done!”
ok, just for clarity, pjdaddy is never nude around the kids. I’m alone with them pretty much 6 days a week 12-15 hours a day (he works bad hours) and I promise I don’t hang around
outsidethe house nude.My 10 year old never sees me and when I was nursing, I wasn’t just whipping it out, if you have a shirt on you’re pretty much covered, but there might have been some skin exposure a time or two. Especially when I’d have to get up to discipline a kid while another kid was attached to me. You do NOT quickly take a kid off the breast unless you want to lose a nipple. Those kids got suction.
I know I sound like I’m protesting too much here, but I hate the idea that I sound like a nudist.
*note to muslihoon. I know my grammar is teh sux
OT, Dolly is a Cat 2 now, and I really should have amended my cavalier Cat 1 frivolity. There are a ton of poor ramshackle makeshift communities in the valley, and even a Cat 1 can be life threatening for those with no real shelters.
Cat 2 is going to take out power and possibly water utilities, so that’s worse.
My bad.
Does “attired” mean a faded pair of cutoff jeans and nothing else?
Depends. If it’s just me and him, shootin the shit out by the pool and drinkin a beer, then yeah, noprob.
If any of the IB wimmins is around, or other members of the DiT household, then attire means long pants, a dorky looking shirt, bermuda socks, dress shoes and a hat.
Also, he has to shave.
Forgive yourself, Dave. We deplore the tragedy it causes but also find exciting weather….exciting.
Can’t help it.
I live in Germany and am glad my wife and I don’t have to ask that question. My daughter’s 11 and she and her mother and I go to the sauna together naked, don’t feel uncomfortable being naked in one another’s presence at home, either. That’s the way it is in Germany -the concept of being forced to cover up is just not there. So you have mixed saunas, no hassles, no leering, no cover-up, no shame. North American culture still has that British prudishness through it, and we pass it on to our kids.
I would say that it depends on your standards to a certain degree. If you are comfortable with nudity or not and what you decide was behind that comment.
If it was taken as something along the lines of “because it’s a flower and it’s pretty” then no big deal.
However if for you it was a tainted uncomfortable statement, then no matter how innocent the comment was meant, it is time to cease the nudity.
As a general rule for me, when uncomfortable questions/looking began it was time to cover up and explain privacy.
While nursing I was not overly overly concerned with being covered. Nursing is natural and nothing to be ashamed of… yes a breast can be seen, but it not in a sexual manner. One the same token though, I did not run around topless waiting to feed the younger either. (My children are 4 1/2 years apart in age)
Both of my children are extremely modest, but understand that nudity, the human body, is a beautiful thing and nothing to be ashamed of… it’s just not meant to be thrown out for everyone in this society to ogle. *shrugs*
These are my opinions. I hope that helps more than confuses the matter.
Gardening chemicals are ancient. Haven’t been used in years.
Movin’ time presents these issues. What to do with the stuff.
Dump it in the sewer! No one will ever know!
America, she is always wrong, ne c’est pas?
Don’t worry, PJM. I’ll try not to correct your grammar here. But at your place and at The Hostages, though, definitely.
And tell Abbadon he’s contributing to global warming with his extra letters and punctuation marks.
I think if everyone had been brought up as you had in Hamburg, Ian, we all would not be discussing this. We’d all be in the sauna together and it would feel very natural.
While our family was traveling in the Costa Brava toward the South of France, we stopped at a look-out to see the view. Another family was also stopping. The father walked his daughter, about 10-years old, to a spot right out in the open near us, pulled her pants down and helped her lean against him so she could take a pee right there in front of everyone.
I wasn’t embarrassed. I’ve seen plenty of nudity as a hospital chaplain. But the age of the girl caused me to feel a bit awkward about it. I’m not sure my kids picked up on what was happening. I never mentioned it.
PJMomma. I assure you that I had not been picturing you strutting your nekkid stuff in front of your offspring daily, but your clarification has me picturing it now.
tee-hee
but your clarification has me picturing it now.
hahaha, NOOOOOOOOOO!
I’d have to say, right about now would be a good time …
Yes speaking from experience Cat 1 storms are pretty much nothing. I live on a stub line (electric) with only 6 houses on the stub, so I am pretty much the last house to get the power back on. Cat 2s are worse like DIT says mobile homes and things like that you are in trouble.
I have never been in a Cat 3, and I am leaving town at Cat 4 or higher.
Unfortunately I live down the peninsula, getting out is not a option.
The father walked his daughter, about 10-years old, to a spot right out in the open near us, pulled her pants down…
That’s just creepy. A 10-year old can’t pull her own pants down? Well, of course she could, but Daddy preferred to do it himself.
Not to mention the urination in front of everybody.
Sheesh.
Well, since the title was posed as a question… I don’t ever intend to let stop letting children see me naked. :/
And that’s why my I.P is logged with the FBI! I’ve had some good times with those guys!
Thanks Lipstick, for the gut-check.
Cathy, I’m also down with your “once they can wipe themselves, privacy ensues” policy.
How goes the house selling and buying?
Thanks for asking about the house thing. A buyer is sorta fence-sitting,
and a great home waiting for us in Dallas. I’ll email ya the scoop.
I never let my kids see my nekkid, except maybe when they were little babies. I’m conservative that way.
My thought is that kids would prefer to see their parents as clothed adults and responsible mentors, not flopping around in the sauna.
But, hey, that’s just me, a “puritanical American”.
There’s nothing wrong with being puritanical.
Whenever my parents go to Europe, they return positively scandalized. But that’s just us. We have and agree to and support very high standards and values.
I have never seen Mom or Dad unclothed.
I have never seen Mom or Dad unclothed. - M’oon
It’s an awesome sight.
Trust me.
I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but what the fucking fuck is wrong with you people? You DO NOT let your kids see you naked. Maybe for first six months, if that. GAWD!
I’m cracking up at all the different opinions on nekkidness.
My dad NEVER let us see him naked as far as I knew. I vaguely remember showering with him as a toddler, but my mom says no way.
My mom tried to be modest, but I remember my sister and I always busting in on her. I can’t remember her ever getting to go to the bathroom without us bugging her, course we had one bathroom for 6 people for a while.
I guess I’ll have to stop sitting naked at my laptop in the middle of the living room now that I see it’s against the norm.
In fact I guess I should stop all my nudity. Kind of a bummer because I really liked going to the Monday night special at the Golden Corral in the buff. I never have to worry about anyone taking my seat when I get up to get more food.
So Tushar, in India, the cultural norm is that the kids never, ever see their mother naked? ever?
My Dad runs around in boxer shorts that are so old they’re translucent in the back. We avert our eyes.
The last thing you want to see is your dad’s heiney. Or maybe the second to last thing.
Anyway, the word “heiney” cracks me up, so that is the main reason for this comment.
Heiney. *giggle* *snort*
My dad has these old soccer shorts from the 70s he still wears around the house when he gets home from work. Those things are so old, his boxers extend beyond the shorts.
*shudder*
As for me, I generally wear a Tshirt and gym shorts to bed, while my wife wears PJs to bed. My biggest problem is now that my daughter is old enough to climb out of her bed, we have to almost lock our doors some nights.
PJM, the unwritten rule is that once you are out the vagina, you do not look back at it ever again. And all Indian bedrooms and bathrooms are equipped with industrial strength locks and bolts, to prevent children accidental seeing the parents naked.
Just a random thread jack:
I am in Michigan (Holland, to be precise) right now with the wife and Little Princess. It is beautiful here. But, is it always this cold in late July?
Or, am I just experiencing culture shock because STL is usually 98* with the same humidity right about now?
I don’t even recall this dramatic of a temperature shift last year when I was at the Indiana Dunes.
My Dad runs around in boxer shorts that are so old they’re translucent in the back. We avert our eyes
eeesh, I remember the near “boxer fall-out” incidents we’ve had with my dad as a youth.
the unwritten rule is that once you are out the vagina, you do not look back at it ever again
ever again? so you guys have sex with the holes cut in the sheets too? cool
eddiebear, you are experiencing the cooling effect of Lake Michigan. Prevailing west winds with about a 40 mile fetch off of cold water keeps things cool.
so you guys have sex with the holes cut in the sheets too?
Holes?
>>ever again? so you guys have sex with the holes cut in the sheets too? cool
Uh, I was talking about the kid looking at his mom’s vagina, not all the poon in the wide world.
Holes! *smacks forehead.
That would feel much better!!!
Thanks, PJM!
anything for you wiserbud
Brew:
Maybe that’s why all along I-196 up to Holland, there were a bunch of signs for stores named “Lake Effect” this or that.
But it is nice to be up here now. I could imagine not so much in January.
I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t plan on letting Moses see PJM naked until he’s earing his own allowance, and can afford to subscribe to her website for $9.95 a month. He’s sure as hell not going to be paying for any of that filth-flarn-filth with any of OUR money, I can tell you that for sure.
hahahaha, by the time Moses gets old enough to pay I’ll be charging $9.99 a month.
^That little?
I know of sites….
ummm, never mind.
Thank you, Tush! I feel like less of a freak.
Yeah well guess what mussy, your kids are gonna check your package out when you take them to the public restroom. How do you like them apples huh?
And all Indian bedrooms and bathrooms are equipped with industrial strength locks and bolts, to prevent children accidental seeing the parents naked.
It is an ancient culture. The accumulated wisdom must be respected.
I am in Michigan (Holland, to be precise)
Dork. You missed the Tulip Festival, which is the only reason anyone goes to Holland, Michigan.
PJM,
I don’t know whether you have been to a men’s public restroom, but it is possible to hide your (and anyone else’s) package from your kids, unless you can’t leave them alone and have to take them in the toilet stall with you.
Thanks, Michael! You are too kind.
I look forward to you taking your twin sons to the restroom stall with you. Especially when they’re two.
You cannot leave them alone.
PJM, I don’t know whether you have been to a men’s public restroom,
BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
oooooooookayyyyyy……
PJM, I don’t know whether you have been to a men’s public restroom,
wide stance?
Will you teach me to tap dance dave?
Well, with PJM, the list of “been there, done that” is sooo long, it was prudent to hedge.
stupid flamewar thread follows me everywhere
PJM, I meant that in a good way. How many people have trekked 40 miles to clandestinely buy raw milk?
Okay, to be honest, I used to see my mother naked once in a while when I was a kid. Nothing weird about it when I was younger, but when it got uncomfortable for me, I made sure I was not in that position again.
It wasn’t sexual and my parents weren’t bizarre, it was just the way we were raised. No one made a big deal out of it, therefore it wasn’t a big deal.
I’m sure if your son starts hanging around, trying to catch you naked, then you need to worry. But otherwise, it’s a natural thing to be curious and better he’s looking at you than the neighbor. And if and when it gets too uncomfortable, then you have a little chat with him about provacy and respecting people’s space.
PJM, I meant that in a good way. How many people have trekked 40 miles to clandestinely buy raw milk?
Another example of the man trying to keep me down!
I have been in several men’s public restrooms back in the day.
The lines are shorter. I could not do the “concert hold” any longer.
Another example of the man trying to keep me down!
I’ve never known you to complain of being on your knees before.
I have been in several men’s public restrooms back in the day.
So that was you! You ran off before I could get your phone number!
it’s not tough keeping her down. The hard part is getting her down in the first place.
Mr M. No man has ever asked me for my phone number while I was peeing next to him. Call me sheltered.
The last thing you want to see is your dad’s heiney. Or maybe the second to last thing
I agree Lipstick. The very last thing would be seeing dad’s heiney with his diapers at his ankles. Trust me on this one.
Anyway, the word “heiney” cracks me up,
Wahhh.
My poor kids.
No man has ever asked me for my phone number while I was peeing next to him.
So Kev? When you were peeing next to a man, were you at the urinal? Or stall?
^ GLAR!
I didn’t let my kids see me naked even when they were first born. Sounds like I’m as prudish as Musli and Tushar.
I was in the stall. I would give whoever walked in the verbal heads up that I was a chick.
One time I went in and the urinals were full, but the stall was empty. So I said hey and went to the stall.
I got back to the concert long before any of my girlfriends, I can tell you that. Priorities!!!
I didn’t let my kids see me naked even when they were first born
You were tempted to get naked for the delivery though weren’t you?
Stupid doctors and their restraining orders…
I didn’t let my kids see me naked even when they were first born.
Not an option for us gals. I remember when Son-Michael was getting popped out and only his head was birthed, he twisted his little neck around and looked up at me, all bright and busy-tailed. That was powerful stuff.
APGAR scores of 9 and 10… no drugs. Yes! I’m proud of us.
The main reason I don’t let my kids see me naked is I don’t think I could handle the laughter.
Wow, Cathy, what a moment!
Wiser, they laugh at you with your clothes ON, dude.
I laugh at him too.
And it’s true, I got no idea if he’s nekkid or not. But he don’t know about me either, heh.
This site is consistently one of the most depraved cesspools of the entire internet.
This site is consistently one of the most depraved cesspools of the entire internet.
Awww shucks, sandy, that’s the nicest thing anybody has said to me today.
I had a girlfriend whose parents were pretty much nudists at home her whole childhood, for which she has my eternal sympathy. But in spite of that, she turned out more or less OK (except for that episode where she dated me).
>>she turned out more or less OK (except for that episode where she dated me).
What? She tore the clothes off your parents when you took her home to see mom? To be better able to relate to them?
I laugh at him too.
Do mean “at me” or “with me?”
This site is consistently one of the most depraved cesspools of the entire internet.
Hey, hold on a minute there Sandy. I thought The Hostages were supposed to be the depraved cesspool, making us look good by comparison.
Plus, S. Weasel is bitching about getting blocked by corporate filters for being tasteless. That hasn’t happened to us. Yet.
I’m afraid I’m going to have to agree with Sandy. This place is just deplorable. You guys embarrass The Hostages
Sandy:
I thank you for your support.
This place is just deplorable. You guys embarrass The Hostages
Well, Ms. PJM, that’s kind of a slap in the face. Because all I did in this post was link your post at The Hostages, and you got substantial traffic from the WordPress home page as a result.
You people just don’t get it, so I will explain it to you. The Lutheran Millennium HQ™ knows everything. That means, the All-Knowing IB Dashboard™ knows everything.
Which means, Pajama Mama’s reeducation camp assignment just went down a notch. She’ll have fewer carbohydrates in her daily ration.
Actually, that might work out OK for her.
Excuse me, you linked her page, not the Hostages.
Because, as everyone knows, you would never stoop so low as to link to that hellhole.
Yeah that was funny. My post from my page was on frontpage of WordPress and then after you posted it, it became frontpage again.
I think it automatically becomes a WordPress front pager if it has the word naked in it
Fewer carbs? Can they at least be chocolate?
Kev, I’m proud of ya.
Times I’ve been in men’s restrooms are:
1) when attending conferences for women where they change signs on the men’s rooms
2) to kill a 7″ long centipede in the church men’s room frightening young men of a visiting university choir
You top me.
to kill a 7″ long centipede in the church men’s room frightening young men of a visiting university choir
A CENTIPEDE???!?!?!?
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!!!
killit!killit!killit!killit!killit!
Well, Ms. PJM, that’s kind of a slap in the face. Because all I did in this post was link your post at The Hostages, and you got substantial traffic from the WordPress home page as a result.
Just so we’re clear, I was teasing. I might be PMS because She’ll have fewer carbohydrates in her daily ration.
Actually, that might work out OK for her. seemed a little harsh.
I think I’ll back off IB tonight. I guess I”m just too sensitive.
You had to step in and kill a 7″long centipede because a bunch of college age boys were afraid of it?
Damn. What college were they from, Michigan?
Do mean “at me” or “with me?”
depends on whether you’re laughing too.
It’s easy to grin, when your ship has come in
and you’ve got the stock market beat
But the man worthwhile is the man who can smile
when his shorts are too tight in the seat
assuming you’re wearing any.
No! The answer is “At You!” “AT YOU!”
God bless you. *hands ya a kleenex*
f*@k.