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Hookers Union Sues Amsterdam City Hall December 29, 2006

Posted by Michael in Ducks, Economics.

Mrs. Michael has relatives in Amsterdam, and we have heard about how the libertine Dutch attitude towards prostitution and drugs has made this wonderful city a magnet for organized crime in Europe, and one of the world capitals of sex tourism.

The merchandise is displayed so that customers can window shop.

Amsterdam Red Light District

Apparently, the city council has decided to scale back, and the prostitutes are fighting the move.

Brothel owners in Amsterdam’s red light district have taken the city council to court over its decision to close a number of sex businesses.

The council is demanding the closure of 33 brothels, which account for around a third of the district’s sex businesses, by the end of the year.

The prostitutes union says the move will force many women to work illegally.

But the attempts by the Dutch to be “open-minded” about sex have resulted in a seamy underside to the city of Amsterdam.

Amsterdam’s mayor, Job Cohen, claims that many sex businesses are fronts for criminal activity, such as women trafficking and money laundering.

But the prostitutes’ union, the Red Thread, which represents 20,000 prostitutes, argues that closing legal brothels will force many women onto the streets.


Something is profoundly wrong with that.

BBC – Dutch Brothels Take City To Court


1. cranky - December 29, 2006

I was stationed in Holland for seven years. If anyone needs directions to the red light district and the infamous Banana Bar just let me know.

There was a really good Mexican restaurant named El Pacifico very near the red light district too. Turn left to the restaurant or right to the window shopping.

And come on South Carolina, you’re screwing me if you don’t cover.

2. GrumpyUnk - December 29, 2006

Union Whore. That just sounds right to me.

3. geoff - December 29, 2006

Poor dears. Maybe an outreach program…?

4. The Comish (sic) - December 29, 2006

Am I the only thinking about Norm MacDonald’s character in “Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo”? Of course I am. I’m probably the only one that saw that movie, let alone thought there was anything remotely amusing about it.

5. lauraw - December 29, 2006

That whore is wearing white stockings.

In Winter. Well after Labor Day, I might add.

Tsk- I say, TSK!

When will these whores honor the traditional conventions of polite society?

That is IT,
I’m writing a letter.

6. Lipstick - December 30, 2006

She probably has a straw handbag too.

7. Lipstick - December 30, 2006

Oh wait — her shoes are black though.

8. lauraw - December 30, 2006

Maybe it’s just an ‘Amsterdam whore’ thing.

Tulips and windmills and wooden shoes and such. Those people are out there.

9. Dave in Texas - December 30, 2006

Are you sure those are white? They look a little blue to me.

ba dum dumdum.

10. sandy burger - December 30, 2006

Holland’s attitude towards legalizing drugs and prostitution bugs me.

On drugs, they make end use legal, but trafficking is still illegal. And on prostitution, they make the transaction legal, but do almost nothing to prevent the exploitation of women (mostly from the third world).

They get the organized crime and exploitation that come with prohibition, along with the social ills of legalization. They choose the worst of both worlds.

Not surprisingly, I’m all in favor of legalizing marijuana and psychedelics here in the States, just as long as we don’t do it the Dutch way.

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12. a friend - July 20, 2007

Please, Have any of you ever actually vistited the “city of inspiration”. If you did you would have witnessed a beautiful sea of tranquility among the people, places, and “hobbies” in the nederlands. If you walked around the RDL you would have seen that most of the women in the windows were not “third world.” Next time you want to make judgment, please do your research. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but, no one can create their own fact.

13. lauraw - July 20, 2007

OK guys, time for somebody to take one for the team and do some research on Amsterdam whores.

14. harrison - July 20, 2007

Pick me!Pick me!Pick me!

15. compos mentis - July 20, 2007

I make a motion that we take up a collection and send harrison.

16. Retired Geezer - July 20, 2007

Or, we could just ask WP.

True Story.

17. wiserbud - July 20, 2007

A Møøse once bit my sister…

No realli! She was Karving her initials øn the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge – her brother-in-law -an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: “The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist”, “Fillings of Passion”, “The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink”…

Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti…

18. Andy - July 23, 2007

I have just returned from amsterdam and found it a truely peacful place everyone minding their own business, I endulged in all the pleasures of the free society and have never been so happy and relaxed! Baah Humbug to all you church goers who say its a bad place Amsterdam is Heaven on Earth!

19. lauraw - July 23, 2007

Drugs and whores?

If that’s Heaven, let it stay in Holland.

I’m an atheist, Andy. Some things are still just wrong.

20. Andy's dick - July 23, 2007

I’m developing a rash.

21. euphrosyne1115 - July 29, 2007

Excellent point, Sandy. I’ve never understood the “cafeteria plan” laws about drug use in the Netherlands. It’s legal or it’s not – pick one and regulate from there.

22. lauraw - August 3, 2007

This might be a job for Batman.

[Asst. Site Administrator Note: Lest anyone think our dear lauraw is talking to herself, I have removed three comments that extolled the virtues of Amsterdam nightlife in rather graphic detail. Bunny?]

23. compos mentis - August 3, 2007

Did you learn anything?

24. BrewFan - August 3, 2007

Nothing thats legal 🙂

25. Anonymous - August 23, 2007


26. compos mentis - August 23, 2007


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Hello Kitty

52. Vietnamese hooker - August 24, 2007

Hello, Joe.

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54. yamish - August 27, 2007

but i wnt 2 go there saw let me know more abt it

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Hello Cleveland!!

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So, you are Spinal Tarp?

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Hello, I’m Johnny Cash.

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Ok, so, I missed the Bat-Signal the first time….

60. Todd Rundgren in Texas - September 22, 2007

Hell-loo it’s meee

61. sandwich! - October 9, 2007

hmm people! stop talking so stupid about holland and amsterdam! take a look at your own country! maybe it’s better to have comments on america! I’m from holland! and I love it don’t make a problem out of everything… we don’t! well bye!!

62. Sobek - October 9, 2007

So, how’s that whole capitulating to Islam thing workin out for you?

63. daveintexas - October 9, 2007

Somebody needs a Midol and a hug.

64. wiserbud - October 9, 2007

maybe it’s better to have comments on america!

Sven sandwich! is right, you know. You almost never see something like that anywhere around these intertubes.

65. skinbad - October 9, 2007

Be careful when ordering a “sandwich” in Amsterdam. Just sayin’.

66. alvaro - October 9, 2007

this is a very fantastic sock my dick

67. composmentis - October 9, 2007

Oh yeah?? Well, sick my duck!

68. Sobek - October 9, 2007

Sack my deck!

69. StefanO - October 11, 2007


70. mesablue - October 11, 2007

Heh, someone likes whores.

71. StefanO - October 11, 2007

I like that “capitulating to Islam” comment. Very educated indeed. Let me guess, you do your research on FOX? Or is it CNN? I think it’s both, b/c that’s a poorly informed statement. So, just wondering, are you under the influence of Propaganda or Paranoia? Stunad!!!

72. Sobek - October 11, 2007

“So, just wondering, are you under the influence of Propaganda or Paranoia?”

Let’s ask Theo Van Gogh, shall we?

Or, since she hasn’t been murdered by Islamic fanatics (yet), how about we ask Ayaan Hirsi Ali what she thinks about paranoia.

73. geoff - October 11, 2007

StefanO’s looking forward to life as a dhimmi. Or perhaps he’s already living it.

74. Lipstick - October 12, 2007

Or high on hash.

75. daveintexas - October 12, 2007

well stefano, at the moment, I’m under the influence of “you’re boring”.

76. lauraw - October 12, 2007

Let’s ask Theo Van Gogh, shall we?


77. Amsterdamrocks! - October 12, 2007

Cohen is a motherfucker and has to die!!! This total piece of shit ha dno fucking idea what he is talking about! I live in Amsterdam, I was born and raised there. What the union says is right, if you close them windows these woman will be forces to go underground, meaning that they will be victim to more dark shit. Besides, it’s a good deal of our tourism you’re killing…alot of people come here, for one reasont o see the Red Lights. If ou close it, some manny less people will come here, and you are making less money. And I can go on for hours telling reasons why it’s totally worthless closing any brothel.

I notice some people have a problem woth our drugs policy. Well, before anyone goes on anout that, first tell me why The Netherland have, since 1970 or so, the less drugs addicts in the FUCKING WORLD! Yes, is HAS to do with our drugs policy you idiots!

78. Amsterdamrocks! - October 12, 2007

Oh, and let me add: Sandy Burger is a dick. God how can somebody be so stupid!

We pick the best there is. America is total shit man, meybe we ;legalize’ drugs (which we don’t) and meybe we legazile prostitutes (which we don’t) at least we don’t go and attack countries for no reason, torture people for no reason, and oh yeah, go and practically GIVE guns to children, which allows them to shoot up their schoolmates.

Wow, I love America! It’s so much better then Holland!

79. BrewFan - October 12, 2007

You obviously don’t remember who saved your skanky asses in WWII do you?

80. BrewFan - October 12, 2007

Has it dawned on you that if it wasn’t for the USA you’d probably be speaking Russian right now? I didn’t think so.


81. Bart - October 12, 2007

Cohen is a motherfucker and has to die!!!

Apparently Holland has a big problem with cowardly neo-Nazis.
What a shitty little country with shitty little people.

82. ronnie - October 27, 2007

Please leave Amsterdam just as it is. Also if you dont like the place , dont return. Thats assuming you have been there in the first place. Holland a shitty little country ? no way.

83. lauraw - October 27, 2007

We are so sorry to offend you. Holland is a fine country.

Please enjoy your fine whores.

And thanks for the tulips.

84. ilovelauraw - October 31, 2007

laura you are a joke you have been posting on this for ages yawnnnnnnnn

85. daveintexas - October 31, 2007

goddamn scandi snowbilly

86. geoff - November 1, 2007

at least we don’t go and attack countries for no reason, torture people for no reason, and oh yeah, go and practically GIVE guns to children, which allows them to shoot up their schoolmates.

…talk about a country that just doesn’t know how to have fun.

87. AmsterdamForTheMasses - November 9, 2007

I visited Amsterdam twice. I totally love it and am thinking of moving there. Fuck man, it really is my kind of place. I don’t know if it would be the same living there or if it is just my ideal holiday destination. The place is tranquill; people mind their own business. Even the scum don’t really bother you. Guy comes up to you when ur minding ur own business and is all like “want some charlie!?!?”. And if u all like ignore him and shit they just walk away. Awesome! And the sluts!? Third world my ass! Some of those babes are so hot most of u dickfaces will shoot your load just walking through the door.

88. Retired Geezer - December 17, 2007

Innocent Bystanders; is there anything they can’t do?


89. m;/lmk;l - December 30, 2007


90. BrewFan - January 7, 2008


91. Anonymous - February 5, 2008


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93. marco lombardozzi - February 28, 2008

you say hello n i say goodbye 2 all u calvinistic stuck-up amsterdam trashin people. i was stationed overseas n amsterdam was a must place 2 visitthank god 4 their policies on sex n drugs one didn’t have 2 worry ’bout gettin ripped off some of the most beautiful women were in the windows n w/such beauty wearing white out of season doesn’t really matter now does it? as they say in the “hood” amsterdam, its the bomb! baby! wish they had something like it here in the states in the mean time we just have 2 travell back there w/pleasure

94. Muslihoon - February 28, 2008

Now that was interesting.

But as I don’t do numbers, I zoned out after the eighth “word”. Was it a useful equation there?

95. sandy burger - February 28, 2008

in the mean time we just have 2 travell back there

Or, you know, get an actual girlfriend.

96. marco lombardozzi - February 28, 2008

got one sandy burger check out my comment on good news frm s. korea

97. eddiebear - February 28, 2008


That would take skill

98. sandy burger - February 28, 2008

I’m just being a smart-ass, marco. This is the internet, it’s what I do.

99. marco lombardozzi - February 28, 2008

its all good

100. Sobek - February 28, 2008

Marco, I take it you’ve never been to New Orleans.

101. marco lombardozzi - February 28, 2008

i have n gettin ready 2 return but ur talkin apples n oranges

102. thedam - February 29, 2008

Just got back from The ‘Dam and had a great time enjoying all of the pleasures the city has on offer – several times each, in fact.

Right outside the door of the HOTTEST girl in the RLD was a lady holding up a cardboard sign saying something crazy about jesus! Guys were coming out the door laughing at her and she was getting really angry. Good, good fun!

103. jerzeeboy - March 1, 2008

Rio is the next stop for me then back to the states and vegas. man it’s great to be an american with money

104. AmsterDame - March 8, 2008

Honestly? I don’t see what the problem is. Every country will have problems with other countries, because they weren’t born there. They haven’t lived it. And I’m talking all countries, not just America and whatnot.

I don’t see the problem with hookers. If that’s what they want to do, and they’re happy, and healthy, who cares? As long as no one is getting hurt.

105. BrewFan - March 8, 2008

As long as no one is getting hurt.

That is the point you seem to be missing. They do get hurt. Legalizing prostitution doesn’t make it any less degrading or dangerous for the women involved.

106. Zdollars - March 8, 2008

I’ve been to the a-dam twice and am going back in May. I’m pissed some French tourists are responsible for removing mushrooms from smart shops. The weed is world-class, as expected, but if you want to smoke a blunt bring it from the states; they don’t have them over seas. Try the volcano on some hash if the shop has one…it’s awesome. Go to Abraxas for the brownies and Barney’s for breakfast (during the week it’s not so crowded). There are always about 5-6 girls in the very center of the red light district that are knockouts but most of the girls are average or above average. Try the Blueberry weed at Noon near the art museums…the smell of that stuff will stick to your fingers all day!!!

107. Michael - March 8, 2008

Dang — there’s weed and hookers in a-dam.

I have wasted so many vacations.

108. TXMarko - March 8, 2008

Why on earth would anyone mix high quality weed with tobacco in a blunt?

I thought the whole idea of a blunt was concealability.

It would be like intentionally pouring Kahlua into a Martini.

109. TXMarko - March 8, 2008

Oh, and the lady on the street with the sign in the RLD?

She wins in the end.

110. Hein - March 10, 2008

shit happens when you naked party

111. blue eye's girl - April 6, 2008

still love to see amsterdam… but the Union Of Prostitutes really bother me…

112. Anonymous - April 19, 2008

there are some world class girls and the weed is good every been there twice will be going back for some girls and weed

amsterdam is heaven

113. raj - May 1, 2008

if we would like to have fun in the night with a sexy rented girt in Amsterdam/Frankfurt/Hanover, is this risky or not risky, I mean to say that will it be leagal or illegal.

Can police trouble me or there is no need to worry ?

Please explain.

114. geoff - May 1, 2008

is this risky or not risky, I mean to say that will it be leagal or illegal.

It is well known that if you actually touch one of the ladies, your manbits will fall off. If they somehow survive, they will be confiscated by the police. If neither of those situations bother you, then there is absolutely no need to worry.

Have fun!!

115. shayan Michelle - May 12, 2008

What is the latest news on the closure of brothels? Are they closed or is everything still legal and girls working as usual

116. Anonymous - May 25, 2008

You tourists disgust me. Why don’t you GET A GIRLFRIEND. I live in Amsterdam and so support the RDL for the income the city gets from it. But some of these comments are really very pathetic.

117. Mr Minority - May 25, 2008

But some of these comments are really very pathetic.

Excuse me, but you have mistaken us for people that actually give a shit!

118. BrewFan - May 25, 2008

But some of these comments are really very pathetic.

Thank you. We try.

119. Anonymous - May 30, 2008

keep the RLD very much alive i say! Crime is really no greater visibly than anywhere else! Get over it haterz! These girls know wat they are doing so leave them to it!

120. Anonymous - June 10, 2008

amsterdam was the most beatufil place that i’ve ever seen! people were extremely kind. and witte biers were perfect!

i love amsterdam!
i love the people of amsterdam!

121. Mark - June 15, 2008

I Love Amsterdam If There was more places like it in the world We could see less crime and corruption Having it like Holland takes the temtation and mistrust of drug/medicine users The Workin girls get checked regularly

122. Educated Person - June 20, 2008

Anyone who has been to Amsterdam will see the success of their pragmatic approach to society and law. Amsterdam does not prosecute most victimless crimes, but crime rates with victims and violent crimes are much lower than those in the US. Plus their universal healthcare is far superior to our substandard healthcare system. so if you’ve never been, but are talking down on Amsterdam shut the —- up.

123. Muslihoon - June 20, 2008

Yeah. And how many people has Amsterdam? And how many The United States?

You cannot compare apples with oranges. I am always quite displeased when people point out European lax laws and socialized healthcare. They don’t have even a fraction of the population the US has. (Okay, well, technically they do. Stop ruining my point.) Such policies would be unwieldly, impractical, and impossible in the US.

Of course, this is ignoring the fact that currently Europe is suffering because of its laws and policies.

124. compos mentis - June 20, 2008

Educated Person, in what city do you live? I suggest changing all of your city’s laws and social structure to match that of Amsterdam.

Check back here in ten years and we’ll see how it’s working for you.

125. eddiebear - June 20, 2008

And the dhimmitude approach Western Europe is taking will lead to even more Van Gogh murders in a few years.

126. Princess12toes - June 28, 2008

I just do the phone whore thing – no one cares what color stockings I wear then!

127. Lipstick - June 28, 2008

Well, that saves on wardrobe. And laundry.

128. Bam - July 29, 2008

Hi. do they ask for id’s in amsterdam for pubs etc? thanks

129. Speak from experience, not ideals - September 8, 2008

Hello… having just returned from Amsterdam, let me say that it is an experience everyone should have at some point in their life.

It is a very relaxed place. The people are great. The socialized system works VERY well. The people who live there love it and wouldn’t trade it for the world.

The RLD is certainly a one of a kind. I went to Amsterdam while in Holland just to see it. I agree with the post above that says it is a HUGE tourist attraction. While I was there, I saw MANY tour groups both on canal boat tours and walking tours. In fact, even to my surprise, I saw FAMILIES with CHILDREN on tours in the RLD!

While I’m not sure that I would take my children there, I am glad I went there and saw it all first hand. People tell you that it defies explanation and it does. No matter what I say here I can not convey to you what you will experience when you visit for yourself.

Having said that, I simply can not believe the number of people on this post that have something to say about Amsterdam or Holland but have never been there. Seriously… go there and see for yourselves or shut the ____ up!

130. Michael - September 8, 2008

People tell you that it defies explanation and it does.

No, there is an explanation. Desperate women are recruited or abducted from places like Romania, the Ukraine, or even Holland. They get introduced and addicted to drugs. Then they are put to work.

131. BrewFan - September 8, 2008

What Michael said.

132. Michael - September 8, 2008

And, I have never been to the Amsterdam RLD. So I’m not speaking from experience there.

I’ve been to similar venues whilst going out with the guys in Seoul, Rio, Bangkok, East St. Louis, Hamburg, Sao Paulo, San Francisco, Hong Kong, and so forth.

They are all the same. The scene is good for some laughs, but basically sad.

133. BrewFan - September 8, 2008

Hey Michael, I dare you to click on the blog link on #126 🙂

134. Michael - September 8, 2008

OK, Brew, you dared me and I clicked on that link.

Now I hate you even more than I used to hate you.

135. BrewFan - September 9, 2008


136. Muslihoon - September 9, 2008

Interesting how such liberal people are so in favor of what has to be the most dehumanizing activity women are forced into.

So much for supporting women where it counts.

137. Artnouveau - September 15, 2008

I was in Amsterdam this summer fom 2 weeks and I could not imagine myself living there. I do not argue with those of you who say that people mind their own business and that even whores and slugs are well tempered compared to these people oin other countries but still…
1. The city is crowded.
For example, if you walk down the Damstraat at any time any given day you will feel like you are in Tokyo.

2. The city is not intended to be a crowdy city.
It just wasn’t build to be such. It’s certainly no New York. Houses are tiny, everything is flat, streets are narrow and smelly. People are hanging out of those small trams most of the time, you smell weed all around you. Yuck… Even the air is bad, what is there to like then?

3. I am sorry for saying this, and maybe I am wrong, but my experience with Dutch people were that they are RUDE, and not helpful at all. They are the so-called Scots. Looking at every penny. My experience with Dutch people since my visit seems to underpin my findings.

Otherwise, I had an OK time there. The thugs and smokers certainly look nastier than they behave, and I presume many kids go to Amsterdam to smoke and most people living there do not contribute to this ‘wonderful’ activity.

Amsterdam is no ‘heaven on earth’ though. Far from it.

from Hungary

138. Born in the USA... - October 6, 2008

it’s hilarious to me that people who can’t come up with anything better ALWAYS resort to “insulting” people from europe with the old “if it wasn’t for us, you’d be speaking german/russian” etc.

WWII was 60+ years ago. get over it already….

it’s been scientifically proven, yes there ARE studies – check the ‘net, that show the european attitudes towards sex and drugs/alcohol create less addicts than the hyper-critical and (sorry to say) hypocritical than this great country of ours.

you don’t agree with legal prostitution and legal drug consumption? don’t go to amsterdam. not that your small minded typical american attitude would allow you to (GASP!) experience another culture and appreciate it for it’s difference from your own. it’s people like you that make me want to move OUT of america….

139. skinbad - October 6, 2008

It’s been scientifically proven–check the ‘net.

Make up some bumper stickers and T-shirts, dude. I think you’ve got a winner.

140. BrewFan - October 6, 2008

Because another culture does ‘Something different’ does not make it moral. You have heard that word before, right?

141. The Cannibals - October 6, 2008

Hey Brew, STFU.

142. Ritual Female Mutilation - October 6, 2008


Preach on, brother!

143. That Judge Who Sentenced a Woman to Be Blinded with Acid For Defending Herself From a Rapist - October 6, 2008

Get off your high horse, BrewFan.

144. The Cubs - October 6, 2008

Yeah, we know about traditions, torture, and the like.

145. Honor Killings - October 6, 2008

How dare you question me? RACISTS!!!11!!!!

146. Akro - December 26, 2008


nothing is “just” wrong. Some things are wrong, but they are wrong for a reason.

You seem to have implied that “drugs” are “just wrong.” Caffeine is a drug, so is alcohol. And so is tobacco. In fact alcohol and tobacco are far worse than marijuana. Nobody’s ever gotten into a stoned coffeeshop fight. Nobody’s ever died from a physical overdose of marijuana but have from alcohol and rarely from some high-potency strains of tobacco. Marijuana has never been proven conclusively to cause cancer (though it’s definitely possible) whereas tobacco has. Even though a single joint has more carcinogens than tobacco since marijuana is less addictive the total amount of carcinogens consumed by a single pot smoker is usually less than that of a tobacco smoker. Also, studies show THC inhibits tumor cells which might help to counteract some of the effects from the tars and resins. Marijuana is hardly addictive at all. In fact caffeine is more addictive. And then to top it all off medicines are drugs. Do you really want to say that “medicine” is “just wrong”?

As for prostitution many people see sex as a meaningful thing to be shared between two people and not something to be given away commercially. Those feelings are valid, but it can’t be proven true objectively. As human beings we attach special significance to certain things in order to add value and meaning to our life. Not saying the value and meaning isn’t real, but that we create it ourselves. Since people who might not place the same value on sex that you do aren’t stopping you from living your life by your own values it’s not really your business. All the objective harms from prostitution (STDs, sexual slavery) can be prevented best with legalization since then the use of contraception and the testing of prostitutes can be guaranteed by law and legitimate enterprises will have an incentive not to permit sexual slavery on their premises as long as the government is investigating a lot (The Dutch need to step up in this regard) and the penalties are significant.

If anything statistics show the Dutch policies are working, although there are some problems but mostly due to the fact that marijuana is only half-legalized. Personal use and sale is tolerated in coffeeshops but shops must buy their pot from the black market since there’s no licensed cultivation and distribution. That’s what they should do.

147. Keene - January 7, 2009

BREWFAN! The comment you made about “who saved our (the netherlands) asses in WW II” is bullshit. If it werent for Europe, you wouldn’t even be discovered…come back on that. Dude, you might even be part Dutch. Manhattan got pulled out of the water, partly by the Dutch. So don’t give me that. That’s the past and has nothing to do with current issues.

Have you ever looked into the number? The US has a way higher crime rate, more drug abuse (this is all in percentages, not in number of people, since that would be unfair), tons more unregistered weapons, murders, etc. The drug trafficing and girls being forced into prostitution (which doesnt happen as much as you may thing, due to strict regulations and all) in Holland is nowhere near as bad as it is in the US.

The “legalizing” of some drugs and prostitution is what keeps it in plain sight rather than having it go underground.

148. BrewFan - May 18, 2009

Keene gave me a hangin’ curve and I missed it. Damn.

149. DANIEL - July 29, 2009

I recently returned from holland and loved it there… It itself was a very strange yet interesting place.. it was my firt trip from the US…

I plan on moving to live there some time soon!!!

150. worldrimroamer - August 9, 2009

You Jesus-thumping brachycephalic Calvanist cretin idiots, SHUT UP. I was born and raised in the U.S., and I’ve been to Europe numerous times. Europe is superior to the U.S. in almost every way except for one thing: The U.S. has the Bill of Rights. (Of course, that came out of the Enlightenment, which happened in … uuh … Oh yea! it happened in Europe! Duh.) But maybe the Europeans don’t particularly need a bill of rights, because they aren’t hung up on “morality” — meaning: sex is evil, drugs are evil, pleasure is evil, relaxation is evil, three months of vacation every year is evil, nationalized health care is evil, same-sex relationships are evil, not going to church on Sunday and eating the transubstantiationalized flesh and blood of the illegitimate child born to a virgin Jewess in a cowbarn on the west bank of the Jordan River during the Iron Age is evil. Even being born is evil (remember “original sin”?)

I really would love to move away from the U.S., forever. Will one of the people who posted about how they’re moving to Holland please tell me how I can do it? You know, the work-permit problem, and all. I really don’t know how to move there, or to Paris or to London. I guess I could find a French or Dutch girl to marry and gain citizenship, but I think she’d probably see through it. Besides, I’ve been married, and it was hell. It ruined 20 years of my life. I seek some other way.

I’m not kidding. If somebody has input regarding moving to Europe, I’d appreciate hearing it.

151. geoff - August 9, 2009

Of course, that came out of the Enlightenment, which happened in … uuh … Oh yea! it happened in Europe! Duh.

The Enlightment was great – that’s why we advocate reading The Founders’ writings and Western Literature in general. But it was the distillation of those principals into the Constitution that is unique to the United States.

…meaning: sex is evil, blah, blah, blah …

You don’t read threads, do you.

I really would love to move away from the U.S., forever.

No time like the present!! Brook no delays!! Good luck and Godspeed!!

152. Michael - August 9, 2009

I really would love to move away from the U.S., forever.

One step at a time, worldrimroamer. Focus. You can start by just driving to Canada, and staying there. Learn French. You’re on your way to Paris!!!

153. worldrimroamer - August 11, 2009

geoff …
Yes, I do read threads. I wasn’t posting my comments to everybody in the thread. I was directing my comments only to those people who were saying that prostitution and drugs should be illegal, Holland is wicked, and “if it weren’t for U.S. you Netherlanders would be speaking German today”, and so on and so on, all that so intelligent stuff.

154. Dave in Texas - August 11, 2009

Old IB Threads: Redefining Pathetic since December 2006.

155. reason - August 11, 2009

“You Jesus-thumping brachycephalic Calvanist cretin idiots, SHUT UP.”

When your hate runs dry,
those “intolerant” Christians
will still offer love.

156. Sobek - August 11, 2009

“Europe is superior to the U.S. in almost every way except for one thing…”


Automobile arson insurance?

Rationed health care?

Yeah, Europe beats us all handily at those.

157. reason - August 11, 2009

Europe pwns our ass
Where it really does matter:
Castles, and old stuff.

158. harrison - August 11, 2009

“Europe is superior to the U.S. in almost every way except for one thing…”

Heatwaves that kill 15,000 of the elderly?

159. Uniball - August 11, 2009

I am pro legalizing prostitution.

It works in Nevada.

That is all.

160. geoff - August 11, 2009

I wasn’t posting my comments to everybody in the thread. I was directing my comments only to those people who were saying that prostitution and drugs should be illegal,

Is that why you called everybody “Jesus-thumping brachycephalic Calvanist cretin idiots?’ Not only is that a piss-poor way to open up a discussion on legalization of ‘victimless’ crimes, but you certainly alienated those who might have at least partially agreed with you. Like me, for example.

Not to mention that 90% of the comments on this thread were made in jest, which makes you even more of an asshole. In your case the “uninspected life” might just be the only way you can get by.

161. Sobek - August 11, 2009

“In your case the ‘uninspected life’ might just be the only way you can get by.”

Nice one, geoff. If you hadn’t ended that sentence with a preposition, I would have called that a thead-winner.

162. jessica - August 12, 2009

There is nothing wrong with prostitution.
It’s one of the oldest professions in human history and should be legal in all countries.

The Red Light District is cultural heritage and with proper laws in place it creates fine business and job opportunities.

163. Uniball - August 12, 2009

With proper monitoring quality will also improve. As of now, in the US, since prostitution is an underground industry, there is no quality control. With legalization cleanliness and quality (customer service and customer satisfaction) will only improve. At this point our prostitutes simply can’t compete on an international level, except for maybe the prostitutes of Nevada.

164. geoff - August 12, 2009

If you hadn’t ended that sentence with a preposition, I would have called that a thead-winner.

Don’t make me go all Churchill on your ass.

There is nothing wrong with prostitution.

That’s not really true. There are some things wrong with prostitution, especially in many of its current implementations. Enough to outlaw it? Maybe not, if the criminal influences are taken out of the equation. But it’s certainly arguable either way.

165. Enas Yorl - August 12, 2009

Prepositions are perfectly cromulent words to end sentences with.

166. chloe - September 13, 2009

amsterdam is nice and it has nice photos

167. NoneOfUrBuisness - September 21, 2009

Ha Ha I think you all need to open a district called blue light district and have male prostitutes Men are such perverts… Its always women that Show nudity and I think maybe if men were being used maybe they would stop useing women..lmao no way their mostly all perverts.. They probably like being used!

168. NoneOfUrBuisness - September 21, 2009

For you women who think theres nothing wrong with prostitution OMG r u serious I guess its ok for your husband to go spend the last 10 dollars u have on a cheat ass nasty whore or.. its ok if your husband brings home a std or Aids or what if it was your daughter out there I understand Its better there because you have shops the women are more safe I guess then here in the U.S their on the streets and dirty. Prostitution has been around forever and It will never just go away but for someone to sit there and say its ok Are u fucking stupid???

169. oh-oh-seven - September 22, 2009

Oraity I was there, seen it, and was mesmerized by the place. The city is big, but it isn’t just a “red light district.” There was a lot more to it. Get away from the central station and the RDL and there is so much more to do.

Anyway, I did wander through the RDL on a Friday night and a Sunday night. What I witnessed was two very different situations. Friday was Party Time — drunk revelers (men & women), stag parties, and the curious, and overall fun (and funny) time.

Sunday night was Tragic. A lot less windows, every alleyway and line of windows surrounding by turkish boys and men buzzing like bees with their weird haircuts and gold jewelry. When too many turks gathered and ogled a hooker, they’d close their curtains and wait for them to leave. I just didn’t get it.

The worst thing I did see was two brits on one of the main canals. Now most of the hookers are seasoned ho’s that know exactly what they’re doing and have been doing it for some time. There was a very young Hungarian girl sitting in her chair. She had the chest of a 13-year-old, doe eyes, and a look of heartbreaking sadness. Maybe this was her act, but it looked like she started hooking yesterday. So these two men in their late 50’s are standing there and one of them actually said “she looks like a kid!”

I thought, for a second, that they were going to see the light and keep moving, but the larger potbelly of the old silverbacks went in and the Hungarian whispered nervously in broken english “do you want to come inside.” The kid was the age of his grandchildren.

170. lauraw - February 20, 2013
171. daveintexas - February 20, 2013

What’s the exchange rate right now?


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