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Imagine a First Lady…. April 2, 2007

Posted by rightwingsparkle in News.
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that used to kill puppies.

Hugh Hewitt has this and frankly, I agree with him that going after the candidate’s  wives is a new low.

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1. eddiebear - April 2, 2007

But it seems to be ok to attack the relatives if they are tied to Republicans.

2. Dave in Texas - April 2, 2007

“A dead dog doesn’t bleed,” Hirsch said in a 1988 issue of Time magazine. “You need to have real blood-flow conditions, or you get a false sense of security.”

Demonstrating how a surgical tool and technique works during realistic conditions.

I don’t understand why anyone would have a problem with that.

Well, ok, I understand it if you’re a PETA nut. But the vast majority of Americans are not, and don’t give a damn either.

3. rightwingsparkle - April 2, 2007

I wouldn’t think so. But I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out what gets traction with stories like these and what does not.

4. lauraw - April 2, 2007

I hear John McCain’s wife used to beat up infants for money.

5. lauraw - April 2, 2007

Mitt Romney’s wife?

Don’t say you heard it from me, but it is rumored she has a floor length calico-kitten coat.

6. skinbad - April 2, 2007

I have an uncle who is a vet. One of the advanced high school biology teachers had an arrangement with him. He’s (uncle) in a small town and is also, effectively, the pound. When he had a dog that was mean enough, or sick enough, that it had to be put down, he would let the class (with parental permission) come and observe. He would put the dog under anesthesia and open it up and show the students all the working systems. After the students left, he would put the dog down. This went on for quite awhile until one student (and parent) got upset. They called news people and accused my uncle of being cruel and barbaric. The news went national and a lot of people (including former students) defended him, but a lot of others called him evil. He’s a very good man. School policy no longer allows students to do this and he wouldn’t do it anymore anyway. The person who got offended and wasn’t required to watch it got her way.

7. Sobek - April 2, 2007

Yeah, and meanwhile, when Elizabeth Edwards kidnaps poor black kids to murder and feed to the white kids she keeps chained up in her basement, not a single word from the freakin’ MSM.

8. Dave in Texas - April 2, 2007

When Michelle Obama was in the 4th grade they caught her drop kicking kittens over a fence.

9. Pupster - April 2, 2007

Fred Thompson killed a puppy in Reno, just to see him die.

10. steve_in_hb - April 2, 2007

Cindy McCain’s Vest*

See my vest, see my vest,
Made from real gorilla chest,
Feel this sweater, there’s no better,
Than authentic Irish setter.

See this hat, ’twas my cat,
My evening wear – vampire bat,
These white slippers are albino
African endangered rhino.

Grizzly bear underwear,
Turtles’ necks, I’ve got my share,
Beret of poodle, on my noodle
It shall rest,

Try my red robin suit,
It comes one breast or two,
See my vest, see my vest,
See my vest.

Like my loafers? Former gophers –
It was that or skin my chauffeurs,
But a greyhound fur tuxedo
Would be best,

So let’s prepare these dogs,
Kill two for matching clogs,
See my vest, see my vest,
Oh please, won’t you see my vest.

* Stolen from The Simpsons (when it used to be funny)

11. lauraw - April 2, 2007

Ladybird Johnson used to personally execute all the mice found on White House grounds with a tiny guillotine.

12. mesablue - April 2, 2007

Hillary’s wife squeezes hamsters, just for the juice.

13. Blake - April 2, 2007

Wow, this is a surprise to find you here, RWS. Can’t wait to tell jandrew and andy! j/k

14. Rightwingsparkle - April 2, 2007

NO! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

15. Blake - April 2, 2007

Okay, just dorita then.

16. Michael - April 2, 2007

Okay, just dorita then.

Just for the record. IB is a troll-free zone. We welcome good-natured kidding. We welcome a reasoned dissenting voice. But this site is only occasionally political. Mostly, we’re just friends goofing around.

Trolls with an agenda are advised to go elsewhere. It took Michelle just a few hours to get banned.

Sparkle was extremely tolerant on her site. I’m not.

I’m not trying to put anyone off. I just want to make myself clear about this.

17. harrison - April 2, 2007

Old friends, RWS?

18. Dave in Texas - April 2, 2007

We’ve been keeping RWS in the attic and feeding her sammiches and french fries.

She comes down every evening to tell us stories. Then we all sing folks songs and discuss politics.

19. Rightwingsparkle - April 2, 2007

harrison,

Yes, Blake is very sweet.

I still feel creepy about being in the same city with dorita.

20. JD - April 2, 2007

Sparkle – I thought you had fallen off of the face of the earth. Obviously, that goat buggerin’ steer luver Blake found you. Surely jandrew and dorita will follow shortly behind him !!!!

21. daveintexas - April 2, 2007

Yeah, I remember Blake and JD. Good guys.

22. Michael - April 2, 2007

Yeah, I remember Blake and JD. Good guys.

Yup.

I remember dorita and jandrew. Not so much the type of genuine crimefighters that would fit in here. Just sayin’.

23. Michael - April 2, 2007

On the other hand, I get along just fine with andy. His blog (World Wide Rant) is on my blogroll. We’ve actually exchanged emails and know each others’ real identity. I bought him some C.S. Lewis books.

Go figure.

24. Blake - April 2, 2007

Michael, Sorry, didn’t mean to threadjack, but I used to enjoy commenting quite a bit at her old site and was shocked to find her here. You won’t have to worry about me. Just JD now. I keep telling him my goat is not interested in him!

Dave in Texas, good to see ya again. Hope the pool is doing fine!

25. Blake - April 2, 2007

I get along fine with andy as well. In fact, I’ve guest blogged rather poorly at his blog a couple of times.

26. steve_in_hb - April 2, 2007

Michael, please more clearly specify the following rules:

– RWS is allowed to make small minded comments putting down people and oozing self-satisfaction whenever she feels like it.

– RWS is allowed to play the “I’m so sweet, why is this person being so mean to me” card when someone responds to her ignorant behavior.

– RWS is permitted to cry and request people come to her rescue when her wit and writing skills aren’t sufficient to ward off someone responding to her.

– Other than mocking her strangely intense worshipping of McCain, no criticism of RWS is permitted.

– As has been pointed out to me by multiple members of the IB community, failure to observe these rules results in ostracization.

27. Michael - April 2, 2007

Blake:

Sorry, didn’t mean to threadjack

Yes you did.

This is a commenters site. Threadjacking is the norm. We are all master practitioners.

I get along fine with andy as well. In fact, I’ve guest blogged rather poorly at his blog a couple of times.

I remember that. You’re right — you sucked. But I genuinely respected your chutzpah for taking on that crowd.

I like andy because he is smart, he has a sense of humor, and he is not really mean, even though he sounds that way a lot when discussing Christianity. As a creationist, I can engage andy just because I don’t bullshit about it, I get to the real issues, I despise the “intelligent design” nonsense, and I don’t try to dispute the established facts of evolutionary biology. Andy is OK with that.

28. JD - April 2, 2007

After Sparkle went offline, my surfing and commenting became practically non-existent. Reading Dave in Texas’ comments directed at the mentally deficient was always a highlight of a thread, usually shortly followed by a kind, but firm, rebuke from Sparkle to maintain civility. If you can maintain a community, absent trolls, and one where Blake leaves the small farm animals alone, it is a thing of beauty.

Tits ! 😉

29. daveintexas - April 2, 2007

Other than mocking her strangely intense worshipping of McCain, no criticism of RWS is permitted.

You gotta admit though, that’s good for 200 miles or more.

30. Michael - April 2, 2007

Michael, please more clearly specify the following rules:

Here’s the rule that matters for you, Steve:

You can say anything you want about Sparkle. I know you. You’re not a troll, you’re just a guy with an opinion. I know that Sparkle rubs you the wrong way, and I’m fine with it if you want to rub back. I think it’s pointless. Your comments on any other topic are much more engaging. I’m still hoping that you might make me a passable Texas Hold-Em player. But if you want to take on Sparkle, go ahead.

Other than mocking her strangely intense worshipping of McCain, no criticism of RWS is permitted.

That’s not true. I jumped all over a lame comment she made a few days ago comparing abortion with slavery. In response, she got my pedantic lectures on the importance of federalism to the conservative cause, the economics of slavery, and the futility of the Civil War as a response to slavery.

Just don’t make lewd comments about that really hot daughter of hers. I own that topic. 🙂

31. Rightwingsparkle - April 2, 2007

I bought him some C.S. Lewis books.

Sweet! I get along great with Andy too. We have e-mailed each other when I was blogging. He is really great to debate with one on one.

I don’t know what brought on Steve’s rant and I don’t want to know. I have no problem with him.

I’m sorry my personality offends you Steve. I wish it weren’t so.

Blake, JD! Good to see you guys! I am posting stuff here, but usually just stuff I want to share. Nothing really political. I still don’t have time to get back to blogging.

32. C.S. Lewis - April 2, 2007

New, or used books?

33. Michael - April 2, 2007

New.

34. geoff - April 2, 2007

I get along fine with andy as well.

But did you play ultimate frisbee with him?

That rates as practically Biblical knowledge of Andy (irony intended).

35. lauraw - April 2, 2007

Steve_in_HB:

Sometimes people post stupid and objectionable comments here (me, Bart, Amish), but you can hardly find a thread where the others get really ugly about it.
It’s a strange outpost of polite internet society, this little page here.

When such events arise, they generally just roll their eyes and keep mum, or at most post a teasing funny response about it. Or email each other and gossip.

By all means, flame away if you feel the spirit. But the folks here are kind of sticks-in-the-mud when it comes to that.

I think it’s because they’re all so Ooooooold.

36. BrewFan - April 2, 2007

I bought him some C.S. Lewis books.

Oh, that andy. I remember his ‘review’. I think it was colored by his disdain for Christians but I could be wrong. He might just be stupid.

37. BrewFan - April 2, 2007

See, lauraw, there may be snow on the roof but there’s still fire in the furnace 🙂

38. Michael - April 2, 2007

Sometimes people post stupid and objectionable comments here

Actually, I do that all the time. The cool thing about my situation is that I can delete the evidence at 3 a.m. Mostly, nobody notices.

Except Bart. Fuck you, Bart.

39. Dave in Texas - April 2, 2007

this constitutional showdown melodrama on 24 is boring me to death.

40. Michael - April 2, 2007

Oh, that andy. I remember his ‘review’. I think it was colored by his disdain for Christians but I could be wrong. He might just be stupid.

It was stupid, by your reckoning and mine. But it was a serious attempt by Andy to address the issue. You fucked up by insulting him. I just focussed on engaging him, and put the issue in front of his face.

Brewfan, the Gospel message is irrelevant to those who are secure in their sin. They need the Law. Andy is secure in his sin. Deep down, he knows that something is wrong with him.

41. lauraw - April 2, 2007

See, lauraw, there may be snow on the roof but there’s still fire in the furnace.

You must have tried Dave’s chili recipe. Pretty soon the fire will be at the back door.

42. BrewFan - April 2, 2007

After Dave’s last post I won’t be eating *anything* he eats. Just to be on the safe side.

43. BrewFan - April 2, 2007

Brewfan, the Gospel message is irrelevant to those who are secure in their sin. They need the Law. Andy is secure in his sin. Deep down, he knows that something is wrong with him.

andy is Lutheran?

44. Feisty - April 2, 2007

Michael, if you’re up at 3 am deleting comments, that’s a sign that Mrs Michael needs to wear you out a little more…or that you desperately need a sleeping pill.

45. dr4 - April 2, 2007

lauraw,

would you kindly post something at aces. I got tired of the Caption contest six hours ago.

46. Dave in Texas - April 2, 2007

OK. A cut off arm.

Bauer didn’t do it, but it was cool.

47. Michael - April 2, 2007

andy is Lutheran?

No. Andy is human (as described by Paul).

Religiously, Andy is is bitter-ex-Catholic. It’s not hard for a Lutheran to identify with that.

48. steve_in_hb - April 2, 2007

lauraw –

“By all means, flame away if you feel the spirit.”

Frankly, I don’t think my comment today was flaming. I’ll concede it may have been a unpleasantly blunt, but that’s not a bad thing.

And yes the general tone of IB has become very Big 3 networkish – the target audience for Hallmark movies and family sitcoms with surprisingly touching moments mixed in with the “laughs”. Soon we can discuss the on-the-edge humor of the latest Family Circus comic.

49. Dave in Texas - April 2, 2007

And apparently all those shots of adrenaline helped Palmer grow a pair.

50. BrewFan - April 2, 2007

Well why does andy hate real Christians and not just Catholics and Lutherans?

51. geoff - April 2, 2007

Pretty soon the fire will be at the back door.

That’s how he plans to win the X-Prize.

52. Dave in Texas - April 2, 2007

Soon we can discuss the on-the-edge humor of the latest Family Circus comic.

Why would you want to do that?

53. geoff - April 2, 2007

Funny parts of Family Circus:

1) ovoid little faces
2) those footprints everywhere
3) they named their dog “Barfy”

The rest…not so much.

54. Michael - April 2, 2007

Soon we can discuss the on-the-edge humor of the latest Family Circus comic.

That hurt. There’s nothing I hate more than Family Circus.

55. Michael - April 2, 2007

I mean, Family Circus has been recycling about 7 themes for 25 years.

Steve, you are a truly cruel person to say something like that.

56. BrewFan - April 2, 2007

Hey, steve_in_hb, piss off.

Better?

57. dr4 - April 2, 2007

Well you have to admit steve, Family Circus is pretty damn funny.

58. Michael - April 2, 2007

Thanks, dr4.

See, Steve, your small-minded preconceptions are not always right!

I can’t believe you compared us to Family Circle. Motherfucker!!!

Forget what I said before. I just might ban your ass anyway!!!!!!

59. steve_in_hb - April 2, 2007

BrewFan –

Sorry, I hang around with an English guy a lot, so at this point I’m pretty confused about what any statement that includes “piss” means.

dr4 –

Are you one of those guys who gets off on cartoon porn? Cruise the sites where they have amateur cartoons of Snow White in a gangbang wih the Dwarfs? Step up to elf porn where folks photoshop pointy ears on naked chicks. At least the body is of a real woman.

geoff –

Are you going to find something positive about “Mary Worth” also?

Michael –

“I mean, Family Circus has been recycling about 7 themes for 25 years.” And you have this data how? Can’t help checking it out when you read the rest of the funnies?

60. Michael - April 2, 2007

Michael, if you’re up at 3 am deleting comments, that’s a sign that Mrs Michael needs to wear you out a little more…or that you desperately need a sleeping pill.

True. Or, it’s a sign that I posted something really stupid.

61. Michael - April 2, 2007

The great thing about late-night stupid posts is that they only get seen by a bunch of our Asian visitors, and they don’t understand it anyway.

62. Blake - April 2, 2007

Geoff, how are ya? I remember that ultimate frisbee discussion! I believe you got insulted when I referred to it as a date, right?

Michael, thanks for the warm welcome, telling me I suck and all. (I was just drinking too much is all.)

RWS, as long as you stay away from McCain posts, you a’ight.

63. mesablue - April 2, 2007

Woah, where’d the short bus come from?

64. Michael - April 2, 2007

I think it’s because they’re all so Ooooooold.

Oh, Laura, I almost forgot to respond to this.

Fuck you too. You’re not exactly jail-bait. I’m thinkin’ you’ve got some mileage on the meter.

65. geoff - April 2, 2007

I believe you got insulted when I referred to it as a date, right?

I didn’t want Andy to get the wrong idea…

66. geoff - April 2, 2007

Then of course there’s the Family Circus/Cthulhu mashup.

67. Dave in Texas - April 2, 2007

OT, Belton man found hanged last Tuesday.

On a bridge that is one quarter of a mile from my home.

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/6733086.html

68. Lipstick - April 2, 2007

Ahhh, so Dave, you were establishing an alibi with your story of being home sick all night?

69. Anonymous - April 2, 2007

Blake,
I have not done a McCain post here yet!, but that’s only because the night is young (so to speak) and “I have miles and miles to go before I sleep”

I’ll come when you least expect me. I’m bringing a party too.

70. rightwingsparkle - April 2, 2007

That was me

71. Dave in Texas - April 2, 2007

Lipstick, anybody knows me knows if I think a man needs some killin, I’d just shoot him.

72. geoff - April 2, 2007

Are you going to find something positive about “Mary Worth” also?

I think Family Circus ranked ahead of Fred Bassett and Nancy, at least.

73. mesablue - April 2, 2007

Ohio State is gonna lose.

MUAHAHAHA!

Not a Florida fan.

Just. Can’t. Cheer. For. Buckeyes.

74. mesablue - April 2, 2007

Dave,

What it you thought he just needed some stretchin’?

75. Dave in Texas - April 2, 2007

Speaking of cthulu, remember when Sobek interviewed me right after I found that book?

http://sobekpundit.blogspot.com/search?q=dave+in+texas

76. Dave in Texas - April 2, 2007

Oh, and I hate those OSU commies. And they’re going down.

77. geoff - April 2, 2007

…or if you prefer, you can have the Family Circus/Nietzsche mashup.

78. mesablue - April 2, 2007

Stunning likeness.

79. mesablue - April 2, 2007

And, I missed all those pool updates.

Very pretty.

But one question, the hot tub looks a little small, how do you fit your big ass in there?

80. Dave in Texas - April 2, 2007

shoe horn

81. Retired Geezer - April 2, 2007

Speaking of cthulu, remember when Sobek interviewed me right after I found that book?

Sobek rocks.

82. Frankly - April 2, 2007

>Just for the record. IB is a troll-free zone.

Um, just for the record, it’s not necessarily lurker-free, though.

83. Sobek - April 2, 2007

Yeah, it took me a solid week to kill all the freakin’ zombies. Thanks a lot, pal…

84. sandy burger - April 2, 2007

The Comics Curmudgeon website has given me a new-found appreciation for Mary Worth, and Apartment 3-G, as well. But you know what? Fuck Marmaduke, and fuck Garfield, too. (Pardon my language.)

85. lauraw - April 2, 2007

dr4, I’m gonna wait. Ace’s site is bugged up. It took like four hours for my post to show up today and nobody can follow the recent comments thing anymore.

And yes the general tone of IB has become very Big 3 networkish

Nooooo.
It’s not that anybody can’t flame somebody, it’s that I anyone can make an ass of themselves and be pretty secure that there won’t be a big flaming pile-on about it. It’s nice.
And the place goes through changes. In Summer things will get rowdier.

Fuck you too. You’re not exactly jail-bait. I’m thinkin’ you’ve got some mileage on the meter.

All highway, babe.

And I was jail-bait right around the same time you were first prescribed blood pressure medication, Grampy. You should wean yourself off those salty treats you get from the hobos at the train station.

86. Blake - April 2, 2007

RWS, I guess you really don’t like me finding this place if you’re considering a McCain post. Calling me sweet was just a ruse on your part, huh? (Btw, I think Jill is commenting as Jo at wizbangblog.com. Driving them crazy as usual with the yee-haws and bwahahas.)

87. steve_in_hb - April 2, 2007

lauraw –

Your usually sharp wit is failing. My Big 3 networkish comment was building off your Ooooooooooold statement.

Sandy –

Damn you for that link. It reminded me of all the bad comics I had mercilessly forgotten. Even as a kid, I used to wonder who the hell found Mark Trail, Ziggy, etc at all interesting.

88. Retired Geezer - April 2, 2007

One word…

Dondi

89. dr4 - April 2, 2007

Dondi. They made a movie out of that unfunny little bastard back in the 50s i think. Saw it on cable while on a trip out west.

90. andy - April 2, 2007

Hi all!

Couple of things (or a few even):

1 – I’m terribly likable and such.

2 – My review of C.S. Lewis addressed what the man said. In short, while he suggested there may be a “law” of proper behavior, he did NOTHING to show it was outside of biology, and – in fact – stated things that in light of our current knowledge, undermined his own argument. Of course, that’s no fault of his own, knowledge and progress march on despite our best wishes otherwise. However, if Lewis is the best that Christianity has to offer, don’t expect to find me believing soon (now, if a Christian / evolutionist like Dr. Ken Miller could drum up some evidence rather than hiding behind the god-of-the-gaps, perhaps we could talk).

Call it “stupid” if you like, but that’s certainly not much of an argument, and not one I will waste more than a line or two on countering, other than to say “Nanny nanny boo boo.”

3 – No, I don’t find anything really wrong with me, truth be told. I have my flaws, as do we all. Mine just happen to be fewer than most. 😉

4 – It’s nice to be talked about! Burning ears keep the family warm on the odd cold Spring night. Alas, we’ve been a bit too busy coping with the son’s problems and the news that child #3 is on the way. I’m afraid blogging and commenting has suffered for it.

Best to all.

Andy

91. Retired Geezer - April 2, 2007

Hi Andy,
Do you mean Ken Ham? No? just guessing.

Here’s a question for Michael.
What’s the difference between Creationism and Intelligent Design?

Only asking cause I don’t know and they seem to be the same thing.

92. Blake - April 2, 2007

Andy! I apologize for starting all this by bringing up your name. Just for the record, I think you’re a wonderful human being with a beautiful soul that will burn in hell. Shall we start a new abortion discussion on this blog?

(Hope your son gets better soon.)

93. andy - April 3, 2007

Retired Geezer:

Do you mean Ken Ham? No? just guessing.

No, Ken Ham’s a creationist fraud. Kenneth Miller is a professor of biology and a supporter of evolution, although he falls back on the god of the gaps for the origins of life (e.g. “We can’t explain it yet so I will explain with an inexplicable god”). In short, he goes as far as science takes him and them freely jumps, which makes him no different than those who believed the Earth was the center of the universe, really.

Blake:

Thanks for the kind words and whatever. I think you’re pretty nifty too; are you an atheist yet?

94. dr4 - April 3, 2007

well im going to bed. Im bored and since the hunchback refuses to post anything im left with no other choice.

adios

95. Michael - April 3, 2007

Ahhh, so Dave, you were establishing an alibi with your story of being home sick all night?

Lipstick, I’m only going to say this once, in a public forum.

I love you.

96. Blake - April 3, 2007

Andy, not quite an atheist yet. Just waitng for someone to send me some used C.S. Lewis books!

97. Michael - April 3, 2007

What’s the difference between Creationism and Intelligent Design?

The difference is taking the Bible seriously, on the one hand, and taking science seriously, on the other hand.

ID is pablum for Christians who are insecure about their faith. As science, it is nonsense. As theology, it is worse. It denigrates the createve power of God.

98. BrewFan - April 3, 2007

Sorry, I hang around with an English guy a lot, so at this point I’m pretty confused about what any statement that includes “piss” means.

Well I was using it in the British manner but I think they also use it to mean ‘drunk’ so I can understand the confusion. In any event, I was attempting to lower the level of discourse to encourage you to stick around. As lauraw points out things will really liven up around here in the summer because we’ll start talking about gardening more often. I can’t wait to flame Dave for his limp and lifeless tuber.

99. Rightwingsparkle - April 3, 2007

Andy!

Congrats on the new baby! I wish your son well too. You do have a beautiful soul and I am holding out hope for it’s eventual resting place……..;-)

Michael, send Blake some CS Lewis books for heaven’s sake. Just take it off the top of the renovation budget.

100. Dave in Texas - April 3, 2007

Hey Andy, hope the boy gets better and #3 is fine too.

RG, I’m one of those annoying Christians that thinks ID is limp science attempting to explain the divine, and winds up putting uneceessary constraints on a Sovereign God. If you are a believer, of course you believe in an intelligent designer. I don’t need to count carbon atoms in rocks and bones to affirm it.

101. Retired Geezer - April 3, 2007

If you are a believer, of course you believe in an intelligent designer

Yeah, I guess my confusion was that I never understood what ID actually meant. I thought it was just a PC way to say Creationism.

I think it takes more faith to believe all this stuff just happened. Especially after watching National Geographic programs.

Andy, have you checked out the IB Greatest Music Post ever?

Hint, it’s not 2 guys singing Barbie Girl.

102. Retired Geezer - April 3, 2007

I can’t wait to flame Dave for his limp and lifeless tuber.

*stands in awe of Brew Fan’s poetry*

103. Michael - April 3, 2007

Don’t start dissin’ the Barbie Girl video. You spudders just don’t appreciate great art.

104. Retired Geezer - April 3, 2007

*clears throat*

It came a long way
This Connecticut tuber
To die in Texas

105. Quint - April 3, 2007

“300 tubers went into the water that night.”

106. Dave in Texas - April 3, 2007

I thought it was just a PC way to say Creationism

It’s pretty un-PC IMHO.

I’d suggest the actual agenda is to bring religion into a science class by calling it science. Under the circumstances I can understand why those who aren’t religious find that troubling. Me, I would just as soon see Christianity studied in a philosophy or religion class, and leave science to science.

I’m familiar enough with the works of the Spirit to understand He doesn’t need my help, but on occasion allows me to participate as a witness.

107. Rightwingsparkle - April 3, 2007

I agree with DIT, let Christianity be taught in philosphy or a study of the religions of the world, but not science class. I just think that in Science class it needs to be said that these things are theories. Just like that post I posted where scientists found they were completely wrong about the sun. We are a work in progress, understanding the universe is a work in progress. That just needs to be made clear.

108. Hamlet - April 3, 2007

Tuber or not tuber…

109. Retired Geezer - April 3, 2007

Just like that post I posted where scientists found they were completely wrong about the sun.

Consensus should never be substituted for facts.
Earth is flat… Earth is round.

Heck yeah. Just like in *my* lifetime:

Brush your teeth Up and Down.
Years later it was Brush your teeth side to side.
Then it was brush your teeth in a circular motion.

Milk is good for you.
Milk is bad for you.

Eggs are good for you.
Eggs are bad for you.

Humans are causing Global Warming…

You get the idea.

110. lauraw - April 3, 2007

groaannnnn

*falls off chair*

*assumes dead bug position, twitching*

111. lauraw - April 3, 2007

Herpes on the toilet seat! AAAAAAIIIGHH
Alar on the apples! GAAAH
We’re all gonna be swallowed up by piles and mountains of trash~! AAIEEE
Flesh Eating Bacteria in the Cafeteria! Nooooo
Carpet chemicals give you halitosis! DEAR SWEET JESUS SAVE US

When life is relatively the safest it has ever been, people have to create their own bears and wolves.

112. Retired Geezer - April 3, 2007

Fabreeze will kill your pets.

113. Michael - April 3, 2007

I did not know that about Fabreeze.

114. Dave in Texas - April 3, 2007

Overeating leads to male impotence.

Or inability to find it. Something like that.

115. lauraw - April 3, 2007

Yeah, that Febreeze thing was all over the internet. My Mother in Law sent us an urgent bulleting about it too.

Not all of those things are so easily Snopesed though. They had us kids seriously scared of having to live in a world several feet deep in garbage – ‘by the year 2000!’

I can’t imagine what those shameless humps are teaching kids nowadays. Probably still finding ways of scaring the piss out of them, I’m sure.

116. skinbad - April 3, 2007

“Residues of birth control pills, antidepressants, painkillers, shampoos and a host of other compounds are finding their way into the nation’s waterways, and they have public health and environmental officials in a regulatory quandary.”

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660208478,00.html

117. skinbad - April 3, 2007

NOT SHAMPOOS!!!!

118. lauraw - April 3, 2007

Pantene with Jojoba: Silent Killer

119. Dave in Texas - April 3, 2007

I am troubled that we are scaring the shit out of kids needlessly (well, except to promote an agenda).

I’m glad mine are old enough to discern that there is some disagreement over whether we are killing polar bears and penguins, but I feel for you who have to deal with youngsters who can’t.

“What will you do if the people will not follow you”?

“I don’t need the people. Give me their children for a few years”.

– Adolph H.

120. lauraw - April 3, 2007

skinbad, you just crack me up so much.

I don’t say it enough, and I don’t want you to think that people aren’t out here laughing their ass off. They are.

121. skinbad - April 3, 2007

I don’t say it enough,

Let’s shoot for once a week.

Steven Seagal is . . . Rinsing and Repeating

122. skinbad - April 3, 2007

Thanks.

123. Sobek - April 3, 2007

I watched a bunch of the “the Earth will be covered in ten feet of garbage in fifteen years” movies in High School.

Now I live in Las Vegas, and any time I drive out of the city in any direction, I find myself in mile after mile after glorious mile of absolutely nothing, and can’t help but wonder, Are we seriously running out of space?

124. Michael - April 3, 2007

I’m not going to worry about solid waste disposal until the Grand Canyon has been filled in.

125. Lipstick - April 3, 2007

Penn and Teller had a special about landfills. They estimated that all our landfill needs could be contained within something like a 35 square mile area.

126. Retired Geezer - April 3, 2007
127. andy - April 3, 2007

“I just think that in Science class it needs to be said that these things are theories.”

And it was, at least in every science class I remember. It is, after all, “the theory of evolution.”

However, it also must be stressed that a scientific theory is a far cry from the layman’s use of the word for hunch or guess.

I have a hunch (not a theory, mind you) that if there was a religion that believed invisible monkeys were behind gravity, they’d be protesting the theory of gravitation too. The uproar from the ID crowd over evolution has nothing to do with the theory itself and everything to do with the fact that it runs counter to their faith.

128. andy - April 3, 2007

Penn and Teller also had a delightful episode about the Bible… do try to catch it on OnDemand. 🙂

129. Enas Yorl - April 3, 2007

Yeah, I got your “Gravity” right here. Pfft! Matter doesn’t attract it repels!. THE TRUTH IS BEING HIDDEN!!

130. BrewFan - April 3, 2007

The uproar from the ID crowd over evolution has nothing to do with the theory itself and everything to do with the fact that it runs counter to their faith.

Like Dave and Michael I am a creationist and not an ID’er so I am not going to defend them but if you read Michael Behe’s book he explains his motivation and is deserving of a fairer description then your (typically) shallow analysis of things.

131. andy - April 3, 2007

but if you read Michael Behe’s book he explains his motivation and is deserving of a fairer description then your (typically) shallow analysis of things

OK, here’s a fair description: Behe’s argument for irreducible complexity has been undercut by mainstream evolutionary biologists, be it regarding flagellal “motors” or aspects of the immune system.

I don’t need to give an in-depth analysis of his claims because it’s already been done, many times over, by others. That Behe cannot envision a way for an organ or function to arise independently is not evidence of anything other than Behe’s science apparently ends about the same place as his imagination.

Well, I’m convinced.

132. The World Wide Rant » Blog Archive » Around the Blogosphere - April 3, 2007

[…] and I was being talked about over here (scan through the comments). Being rational is so troublesome at […]

133. Dave in Texas - April 3, 2007

Andy,

You’re welcome.

The well wishes for the kids.

Really, it was nothing.

134. Michael - April 3, 2007

The problem, Brew, is that Behe and the ID crowd has tried, and failed, to find a structure that does not turn out to be reducible.

135. BrewFan - April 3, 2007

You never read Behe’s book, did you andy? You never read the book Michael sent you either, did you andy? You’re just another intertube troll with an (uninformed) opinion and a database of talking points. Don’t get me wrong, you have a perfect right to your opinion but everytime I read something you write I’m reminded of a wise old uncle who told me that opinions are like assholes; everybody has one and most of them stink. I have news for you, to, regarding your ‘trackback’; trolls are not tolerated here.

Thanks, RWS. Not.

136. BrewFan - April 3, 2007

The problem, Brew, is that Behe and the ID crowd has tried, and failed, to find a structure that does not turn out to be reducible.

As previously stated I’m not an IDer. I’m simply tired of people being attacked personally and ascribed alterior motives just because they don’t stick to the ‘party line’ regarding the origins of life. Michael Behe, AFAIK, never attacked evolutionists. He simply saw a problem with the evolutionary theory as it regards microbiology. He was not out to prove God existed via microbiology. Michael Behe was, and is, a good scientist by every definition of the term.

137. Dave in Texas - April 3, 2007

meh. except for the “superiority” thing, it’s nada.

if it make Andy feel better, then I support it.

138. Michael - April 3, 2007

Actually, Brew, I think he did read the book I sent him.

139. andy - April 3, 2007

DiT – thank you, seriously. It’s been a non-stop struggle with the boy the last several months, and in my frustration I sometimes forget that other people want to reach out too. So, my apologies, and thanks to everyone.

140. BrewFan - April 3, 2007

Actually, Brew, I think he did read the book I sent him.

I think he read the Cliff Notes. But thats just my stinky opinion.

Prince Fielder just jacked one out. Thats science.

141. andy - April 3, 2007

“You never read Behe’s book, did you andy?”

No, there’s no reason to when others provide citations of his examples of irreducible complexity and show where they fail. His writings are all over the web and his position can be judged from such.

“You never read the book Michael sent you either, did you andy?”

Yep, unless it was just random highlighting and scribbles in the margins just to make it look convincing…

“You’re just another intertube troll with an (uninformed) opinion and a database of talking points”

If uninformed means supported by the scientific evidence and logically coherent, well, then I guess I don’t want to be informed.

” I have news for you, to, regarding your ‘trackback’; trolls are not tolerated here.”

Who is trolling? If I remember correctly, I became a topic of conversation here first…in fact, if responding to having my position called “stupid” and being told I “know” something is wrong with me is trolling, well, then I guess I don’t want to be a non-troll.

As for whether Behe is a good scientist, well, once upon a time he might have been, but clinging to personal incredulity in the face of evidence against irreducible complexity is a sure sign he has sold out his scientific ethical sense for his Christian faith. In fact, during the Dover trial, he was forced to admit that his manner of applying the word “theory” to intelligent design would also have meant that astrology would be a theory in the science world of Behe.

Look, some believing scientists, like Dr. Kenneth Miller, can embrace what science finds and compartmentalize their faith as something separate (the god of the gaps, essentially); others like Behe let it consume and replace their science, which is unfortunate and a disservice to the field.

142. Michael - April 3, 2007

I became a topic of conversation here first…in fact, if responding to having my position called “stupid” and being told I “know” something is wrong with me is trolling, well, then I guess I don’t want to be a non-troll.

Well, I never called you stupid, but I still say that you know you are rotten to the core.

🙂

That’s just my shorthand for the doctrine of original sin.

143. Michael - April 3, 2007

BTW, Andy, how the heck did you find out that we were talking about you? There’s a rat fink around here somewhere.

*Michael looks at Blake*

144. andy - April 3, 2007

Blake mentioned about RWS resurfacing over here. I just went through some of the posts to read comments and saw my name…and, thus, my genius (sorry, “trolling”) graced your pages once again.

You’re welcome! 🙂

I suppose I could Google for “andy” and then search through the 122,000,000 results on a regular basis, but that’s pretty extreme, even for my ego.

145. Michael - April 3, 2007

original sin

That awareness, you will recall, is the fundamental observation that forms the basis of Lewis’ entire logic chain. IIRC, your basic objection to Lewis was not that premise, but rather his argument that the awareness must have an external source.

146. BrewFan - April 3, 2007

Nobody here said they agreed with Behe, yet you go on and on. Also, with the exception of one on-topic comment I’ve never visited your site. See where I’m going here? I’ve never posted a track back to your site so all my troll friends could invade. Go ahead and talk about me in your comments section. I can guarantee you I won’t visit your blog and take exception to it. Have I made my point?

P.S. Kevin Mench went yard. That may be biochemical related but I like it.

147. Michael - April 3, 2007

Blake mentioned about RWS resurfacing over here.

Hah! At least we know that Blake is rotten to the core.

148. andy - April 3, 2007

“Nobody here said they agreed with Behe, yet you go on and on.”

Do you actually read what you write? We’ve both been bringing up Behe, and what I have written has been in response to things you say (e.g. that I have not read the book, or that Behe is a good scientist).

If being a good commenter is not responding to what other commenters say, then I’m not sure I want to be a good commenter. Just how many words are you going to redefine to your own liking in one string of comments?

” I’ve never posted a track back to your site so all my troll friends could invade.”

Yes, the mad invasion is overwhelming. The hordes are storming the gates, indeed. Put the women in a safe place, my brothers! The end is nigh!

I guess I missed the memo about linking in the blogosphere being a bad thing. I’m one of the millions who have it all wrong. Darn. I’ll draft a follow-up memo and make sure it gets out there on the tubes.

“Go ahead and talk about me in your comments section. I can guarantee you I won’t visit your blog and take exception to it. Have I made my point?”

That you won’t come to my blog? What good is a barrel with no fish? 😉

Here are my points:

1 – I’ve known (electronically anyway) RWS, Michael, and Blake for quite some time. I’ve even met Geoff and his lovely family before (and he my wee Fiona).

2 – I don’t see a problem with posting comments on a blog run by people I generally like, even if I think they’re largely nuts in one or two areas. We all have our quirks.

3 – If you want to state your opinion without it being challenged, may I suggest that the blogosphere is probably the wrong place to do so?

4 – There is no four.

If you bring up a topic like Behe, irreducible complexity, and his wonderful science, and I happen to think differently, I’m probably going to say so. If you bring up something about politics, sports, the weather, or beet farming that I happen to disagree with, I’m likely to chime in.

That it has to do with religion, even tangentially, will not increase the likelihood I’ll harbor my opinions to myself.

So, I’m happy to drop the god and pony show in which you continuously accuse me of doing precisely what you do, but I’m afraid that’s entirely up to you.

149. Lipstick - April 3, 2007

What is happening to this place?

150. Enas Yorl - April 3, 2007

What is happening to this place?

It’s turning into a blog.

151. Pony - April 3, 2007

So, I’m happy to drop the god and pony show

Pony here!

Where Kevlar Chick and Laura squirrels?

152. BrewFan - April 3, 2007

Please accept my apologies Lipstick for my rude behavior. I just don’t like that one and didn’t have enough willpower to resist poking it. I am now in full ignore mode. It thinks its smarter then us so I’m sure we’ll soon bore it back into the ethernet from whence it came.

P.S. The Brewers are now 2-0. Life is good.

153. andy - April 3, 2007

Aw, BrewFan, don’t be like that.

I think maybe a hug is in order.

Blake will be my stand in; hope you don’t mind.

154. Lipstick - April 3, 2007

Oh no, Brewfan, I was not directing that to you! No need to apologize at all.

I just would hate to see this place turn into the sort of argumentative place that so many other sites are. Which it was not until recently. Nothing to do with you.

155. Rightwingsparkle - April 3, 2007

Oh Good God! Did no one say that one should mention ID or creationism with Andy around.

We will never hear the end of it now.

156. Rightwingsparkle - April 3, 2007

should=should NOT

157. Rightwingsparkle - April 3, 2007

andy,

Sweetie! Just so ya know. This is not a serious blog. We don’t really debate here. We just say dorky things.

The goal is to make people laugh in the comments or maybe give some good advice on pedicures as dave in texas does.

I admit I do intrude on this with some posts like the Phelps one sometimes because I can’t help myself.

158. Sobek - April 3, 2007

Lipstick, you’re completely wrong.

Also, evil.

159. Lipstick - April 3, 2007

I admit I do intrude on this with some posts like the Phelps one sometimes because I can’t help myself.

It’s late and I may regret saying this, but I wish you would help yourself. Please don’t change this place.

Goodnight all.

160. andy - April 3, 2007

If I may submit to the jury a number of the 157 comments above, you’ll find that I did not bring up religion first and I did not insult anyone first. In fact, my first comment was a rather polite and light-hearted defense of myself and my review of C.S. Lewis.

That the subject of ID came up was not my doing, but once it was out there, I see no reason not to reply when someone puts forth an opinion that is – at least in the eyes of modern scientific theory – incorrect.

This whole “blame it on Andy” game is the same crap that GoldenEagle always tried to pull at your site, RWS. You should recognize that.

Personally, I’m fine with a fun blog, but when the discussion turns serious (again, NOT by my doing), I’m also willing to play along and will challenge people with whom I disagree.

So, don’t any of you go blaming me for what this thread turned into, as it smacks more of a high school popularity contest than a thoughtful review of the facts.

161. dr4 - April 3, 2007

It aint going to do you any good to argue with people about religion andy. Its pointless. You dont believe. They do. You cant change them. They cant change you.

You might as well just talk about things that you do have in common. Nothing good will come from doing otherwise.

As for the rest of you, you should just start linking to this image every time a nasty old athiest starts busting your balls:

162. BrewFan - April 4, 2007

It’s late and I may regret saying this, but I wish you would help yourself. Please don’t change this place.

I second that emotion.

163. Rightwingsparkle - April 4, 2007

andy,

I wasn’t blaming you, I was just letting you know.

Lipstick and Brewfan,

gotcha! No more serious posts.

164. andy - April 4, 2007

It aint going to do you any good to argue with people about religion andy. Its pointless. You dont believe. They do. You cant change them. They cant change you.

Putting aside this particular blog, I’d say yes and no. My deconversion began with the 1990s college equivalent of blog comments: late night discussions over pitchers of beer. Granted, Bob didn’t change me, but he put out new ideas for me to ponder… as did my Philosophy instructor…which lead to reading everything I could on the subject, be it philosophical takes, cosmology, biology, etc. In the end, my conclusion was that, while a god may exist, it certainly isn’t necessary for what we see.

Anyway, like I said, I’m happy to talk about whatever. If that “whatever” happens to be the topic of my being stupid, well, I’m going to respond. Call it a character flaw.

165. Rightwingsparkle - April 4, 2007

In my defense though, I will point out that if you scroll down all my posts but the Phelps one are silly ones.

166. lauraw - April 4, 2007

That sounds like a cry for some scintillating gardening writing to me.

167. Lipstick - April 4, 2007

In my defense though, I will point out that if you scroll down all my posts but the Phelps one are silly ones.

In your defense, I will point out that your pictures of the dog with the french fry and the son with the flip flop still crack me up every time I look at them.

168. kevlarchick - April 4, 2007

*SQUEAL!!* It’s PONY!

Everybody chill! Pony is skittish. Don’t flap your arms or make sudden movements.

C’mere sugar. I got a pretty couch for you, sweet thing.

169. harrison - April 4, 2007

Pony’s dead, baby.
Pony’s dead.

170. Dave in Texas - April 4, 2007

I give you vomit.

I give you panda pron.

Guns. Fashion. Wisdom of the ages.

It is my nature. I am a giver.

171. geoff - April 4, 2007

RWS – if you want to post on more seriouser topics, you’re welcome to put them up at my site.

That way they’re safe from anybody ever reading them.

172. rightwingsparkle - April 4, 2007

geoff,

Heh. Thanks. I should stay away from the serious anyway.

DIT,

I hope you read my response to your question about McCain over at Ace’s. I was on a roll.

173. Retired Geezer - April 4, 2007

Is there anyone here who *doesn’t* read Ace?

Cause he had a link to a really funny film.

There’s 4 total, watch them in order.

174. Michael - April 4, 2007

Yes, the mad invasion is overwhelming. The hordes are storming the gates, indeed. Put the women in a safe place, my brothers! The end is nigh!

Holy cow, I just checked the Dashboard. Man the barricades, boys! The Andy-Lanche has begun!!!

[Erm, thats a grand total of 4 hits from WWR so far. 🙂 ]

175. BrewFan - April 4, 2007

Thats 4 too many.

176. andy - April 4, 2007

Oh, BrewFan, you cheeky monkey, you.

177. Dave in Texas - April 4, 2007

I was on a roll

is that what you call it?

178. BrewFan - April 4, 2007

I was on a roll

They call her Butter 🙂


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