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King Herod’s Quarry Located September 24, 2007

Posted by daveintexas in History, Movies.

The site he mined to provide stone for the Temple expansion in 19B.C., located on the site of a proposed school in a Jerusalem suburb.

They find such cool stuff in old places.  In Texas the oldest thing we ever found was an abandoned dirt mine and the lid from the seat of an outhouse next to the Alamo.

Cross-posted at that other popular blog.


1. Pupster - September 24, 2007

Why was he hunting stone? Doesn’t seem very sporting, even without cool looking camo shotguns.

2. Mr Minority - September 24, 2007

In Texas the oldest thing we ever found was an abandoned dirt mine…

Wow! An abandoned dirt mine! What a rare find!

It’s not like there are hardly any dirt mines in Texas, no siree, not that many around (except every town, city and rural area in Texas).

3. Mr Minority - September 24, 2007

and as for the lid from the seat of an outhouse next to the Alamo., that could 2 years old, it is San Antonio you are talking about.

4. Cuffy Meigs - September 24, 2007

Dave & lauraw, you’ve got a quality co-blogger at Ace’s: http://minx.cc/?post=241536

5. daveintexas - September 24, 2007

Yeah, I noticed that a little earlier today.

I’m just the hired help. I swear, he doesn’t even pay me a salary.

6. daveintexas - September 24, 2007

although he does make my stuff look funnier than it really is.

7. geoff - September 24, 2007

Ace’s site has become unreadable since he threw the doors wide open. I don’t bother with it anymore.

8. Mr Minority - September 24, 2007

Ace’s site has become unreadable since he threw the doors wide open.

Those Open Blog posters such as LauraW and DaveinTX, post and write in the same vain as Ace does, thus they blend into the blog seamlessly. But since there has been a hodge-podge of different posters with different styles and subject matters, it is a lot harder to read.

9. Bart - September 24, 2007

I’ll rip into Gabriel in a few days. Maybe sooner if my mood is right. His mamby pamby pc wussness is annoying me.

We need to remind Ace that his blog is a Conservative-political blog with a dash of pop-culture and smidge of silliness (and a teensie bit of flying cars). It has definitely gone off track in the last few months.

10. Bart - September 24, 2007

lauraw and dave are not Open Bloggers. They are co-bloggers.

And they both better get their asses in gear and start posting good Conservative shit. Soon.

I think we’re all in a funk since the ’06 elections. But we better snap out of it before it’s too late.

11. daveintexas - September 24, 2007

Well, today is a little unusual in that he’s traveling, so he left the open blog thing up another day. He’s tried it, what, 3 weekends now?

It’s pretty much back to normal during the work week. I usually skim the OB stuff, even before that though, ace rarely did weekend posting.

There are 4 or 5 “co-bloggers”, people who can post any ol time, not just on a weekend open blog – lauraw, JackM (when he wants a date) and Slublog, they’ve been there a while, newbies Purple Avenger, Gabriel Malor, DrewM and me. ace picked me up on an option with a player to be named after AndrewR hung it up for a while.

I met Andrew in Boston, nice feller.

I sorta shoot for morning posts, since it usually is late morning before ace starts grinding it out, or whenever I see something noteworthy or goofy.

12. daveintexas - September 24, 2007

*ticks numbers off of my fingers* ok, maybe 6 or something. I don’t know, I’m a moron.

13. mesablue - September 24, 2007

I don’t bother with it anymore.

Hey, thanks.

We had a nice AoS style Vegan War with over 200 comments on my post on Saturday.

14. sandy burger - September 24, 2007

I don’t think Ace is very “Conservative” as you would define it, Bart. He’s more “Conservative” than me (or Gabriel), but he’s nowhere near as “Conservative” as you are.

One trouble with the open blog format is that there are just too many posts. There’s little chance for much discussion on a topic before the next ten posts go up. There’s little opportunity for running jokes to emerge.

15. Bart - September 24, 2007

I define Conservative as anything anti-moonbat, sandy.

16. sandy burger - September 24, 2007

Hey, thanks.

Hey, different strokes for different folks. Taste is nothing personal.

Geoff is a hard man to please. (Trust me on this.)

17. Cuffy Meigs - September 24, 2007

Malor’s politics is secondary. He’s as boring as my dentist and his infrequent attempts at humor are just as painful.

18. Cuffy Meigs - September 24, 2007

My grammar is also secondary.

19. Cuffy Meigs - September 24, 2007

And he has shitty blog etiquette.

And he smells and doesn’t mow his grass.

20. nicedeb - September 24, 2007

Malor’s politics is secondary

I wouldn’t know because I don’t read his long, boring screeds.

21. nicedeb - September 24, 2007

Also, I suggested when the open blog thing first started, that maybe it would be a good idea if the open bloggers just kept it to one blog post an open blog day. Otherwise, we wind up with too many posts.

But nobody listens to me.

22. Cuffy Meigs - September 24, 2007

That’s the thing, Nice Deb—his posts aren’t even screedy. Unless reciting insurance policies is your idea of firebreathing advocacy.

23. Mr Minority - September 24, 2007

Geoff is a hard man to please. (Trust me on this.)

Don’t use your teeth next time.

24. Mr Minority - September 24, 2007

But nobody listens to me.

I listen to you Nice Deb, but then again I am a Minority

25. nicedeb - September 24, 2007

Cuffy, did you see that he called you he/she/it on the post, now?

What a card!

26. Cuffy Meigs - September 24, 2007

I suppose that’s what’s really grating me: I stick to Ace’s house rules, openblog one snippy little throwaway post, only to have it reposted by Gabe Tolstoy, entirely bleached of the minuscule amount of humor it originally contained. And then he chastises me for too short a post.

Unlike this one (sorry).

27. Cuffy Meigs - September 24, 2007

ND re 25: No, no. Mr. Dale Carnegie had that up before I even read his post the first time and started tangling.

28. sandy burger - September 24, 2007

Eh, don’t even worry about it, Cuffy. Go smoke a bowl or something.

By the way, you don’t live here in CA, do you?

29. nicedeb - September 24, 2007

Oh well, like I said…I don’t read his shit.

30. Mr Minority - September 24, 2007

I admit that Gabe the Wonder Dog has irritated me for a while. But he went and really screwed the pooch today with his ILLEGAL Aliens post. He got into a legal argument with alexthechick, had his ass handed to him, but the most irritating part was other people directing questions and views at him which ignored like a condescending bitch.

It is Ace’s blog, and his decision to let the Gabe Dog post, I question his judgment, but then again it is his blog.

31. Cuffy Meigs - September 24, 2007

No, Sandy—Alabamistan.

32. lauraw - September 24, 2007

Eh, I think Gabe just needs to warm up his tone and snip his posts a bit tighter before they go up on the site. As to Cuffy’s beef, yeah- it’s too damn easy to get snippy/defensive on the net, which is what Gabe did. Simply apologizing and making things right beats tapdancing and sparring every time.

Moreover, I hate bitchy gossip. Where anybody can see me doing it.

But hey, here’s something cute.


they both better get their asses in gear and start posting good Conservative shit. Soon.

OK Boss. But not tonight. It’s Monday night. I’m bushwhacked, and tomorrow will be another busy day at work.

And hey, I have my customers, and Ace has his. The day he shows up to help me nudge this 130-lb. amp off the dolly and into a crate…well, you get the gist.

Tonight is Smoke on the Porch While Staring Into Darkness Night at Casa de los W’s.

No higher brain activity allowed. Or possible.

pope out

33. Bart - September 24, 2007

Gabriel has interesting things to say. The problem is that he says too much. And he’s redundant.

It hasn’t occured to him that he shouldn’t keep posting on a subject that gets a lukewarm or a negative response. Garbriel is under the impression that his audience is a bunch of Gabriel Malors. We’re actually a bunch of morons. He doesn’t know how to communicate with morons, too well.

34. geoff - September 24, 2007

I think my point was the same as Mr. M’s – the blog style has been lost. I really like Purple Avenger’s posts, for instance (I linked him several times on my blog), and I think he was really under-read. But his style isn’t very Ace-like, just as mine isn’t. GM had a few interesting posts on international law, but as a continuing author he’s better suited to a blog like JYB.

My other point was the same as ND’s – there’s just too much, especially with the Recent Comments thingy broke.

35. geoff - September 24, 2007

We had a nice AoS style Vegan War with over 200 comments on my post on Saturday.

My point wasn’t that the posts were bad, it’s that the blog-voice had been lost. And to underscore Nice Deb’s point – LauraW and I both found that thread via Mrs. Peel, not because it stood out at Ace’s.

36. geoff - September 24, 2007

had = has

37. Lipstick - September 24, 2007

Funny clip Laura!

May I just troll for pity? This is day 12 of a bad cold and cough that will not go away. Two days after I bragged to my dad that I hadn’t had a cold in years, it hit.

Mr. LS is out of town; we’ve seen each other 1 day in the past three seeks. Boo hoo. Whine.

Thank you.

38. Lipstick - September 24, 2007

crap. “weeks” not “seeks”

39. daveintexas - September 24, 2007

The day he shows up to help me nudge this 130-lb. amp off the dolly and into a crate

130 pounds??

*eyes roll back into my head*

You can tell me.. just the name on the box. Trace Elliot? Mesa?


40. Pupster - September 24, 2007

This is what happens when you stop your regular smoking habit. Gawdam viruses think the coast is clear.

I hope you feel better soon. Vodka and Niquil is crazy delicious.

41. Lipstick - September 24, 2007

You’re right Pups. This happened after I severely curtailed the smoking. (Involuntarily)

42. Russ from Winterset - September 24, 2007

If you check the internals on the blog, you’ll see that yours truly has a key to the Batcave. Ace gave me posting privledges when Ron Paul came to Iowa back in June, and I’ve tried to limit my posting to “Iowa-related political events”. Except for that post about the wire service article about Mexicans being pissy about US gun laws. That one pushed my hot button.

My opinion? If anyone is interested, I agree that “open blog” should be limited to one per customer per week, and you should try to bring your A-game to help keep Ace’s level of excellence up there. To me, that means no “cat-blogging” (unless you’re lauraw, or your cat can do some really interesting shit, like play scrabble or pick football pointspreads), no minor league local shit (unless you’re in Iowa, and minor league local shit impacts on presidential politics), and no pissing matches with co-open bloggers.

I like the concept of “open blog”, but I’m afraid that the real-world execution of the concept may be flawed.

43. lauraw - September 24, 2007

LD, I have many containers of pure proven cold-killers in my downstairs freezer (homemade REAL soup).

Let me know. It’s nothing to ship a couple.

44. Mr Minority - September 24, 2007

I like the concept of “open blog”, but I’m afraid that the real-world execution of the concept may be flawed.

It is a not flawed idea, per se, it is as anything else: Garbage In, Garbage Out. Too many cooks ruin the stew.

If most of the open bloggers had a style similar to Ace’s, Dave’s or the Mean Cat Blogger Laura, then the blog would be a lot more cohesive.

In addition as others have pointed out, open blogging leads to too many posts per day, and the comment threads don’t flow.

45. Lipstick - September 24, 2007

(perking up)

Soup? Are you sure it’s not too much trouble?

(tummy rumble)

46. daveintexas - September 24, 2007

needin the amp info here if you please.


What? What are you all looking at. It’s a ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY POUND AMP. My effin Hartke 410 doesn’t weight that much.

homina homina homina

47. Mr Minority - September 24, 2007

homemade REAL soup

Which brings to mind the question: How many cats do you have left now Laura?

48. TattooedIntellectual - September 24, 2007

K, my 2 cents b/c what the hell, I can 🙂 I read Ace’s but don’t end to post. From my take Gabriel seems to lack the ability to take new/different perspectives, ponder them, and incorporate or refute. He posts things which are fairly controversial and can’t be bothered to examine anyone else’s opinion to see if his needs to be amended.

And yeah, there are way too dang many posts over there on occasion.

49. TattooedIntellectual - September 24, 2007

Hmm, that end=tend.

50. Mr Minority - September 24, 2007

…and can’t be bothered to examine anyone else’s opinion to see if his needs to be amended.

Or to put it in Mr Minority’s terms: Gabe appears to be a sanctimonious bitch.

When he first started posted, I felt sorry for what I thought was undeserved harassment of Gabe, I have since changed my view, because I have a low tolerance to sanctimonious bitches.

51. Mr Minority - September 24, 2007

that end=tend.</i.

Well since you asked nicely, I’ll tend your end.

52. Mr Minority - September 24, 2007

Damn! I hate it when I forget to close my tag!

53. daveintexas - September 24, 2007


54. TattooedIntellectual - September 24, 2007

I’ll buy sanctimonious, but I think I would have gone w/ ass instead of bitch. Just a personal preference there, think sanctimonious ass flows better 🙂

55. lauraw - September 24, 2007

LD: Sick folk don’t have the energy to cook what they really require to get better.

I’m sure I have your email addy, but save me the trouble of digging, I know it’s been awhile since we spoke: laurawtips ATgmail DOTcom.

Dave: I’m sorry! It’s already soft-packed and ready to go into the outer packaging. No idea what it is. It’s all the same to me. Big n’ heavy.

Mr. M: Truth be told, I’m not all that fond of cats. Another AOSHQ joke that kind of grew.

56. lauraw - September 24, 2007

Oh, and the amp doesn’t weigh that much by itself. Softpack prolly added 20 lbs.

57. TattooedIntellectual - September 24, 2007

Laura would you please feed Dave’s obsession before his head explodes and makes a big mess in here 😛

Totally random, I love The Walrus and The Carpenter by Lewis Carroll.

58. TattooedIntellectual - September 24, 2007

Wow, lauraw must be psychic. That or I need to quit trying to post on multiple blogs at once.

59. daveintexas - September 24, 2007

*collapses in a pile of disappointment and bitter heartache*

but, a 100 pound guitar amp is so unusual, most guitar rigs are 40 pounds, tops…


You can open it up. It’s just sitting there, waiting to be appreciated.

You could do that, for me.

60. daveintexas - September 24, 2007

A Mesaboog Mk III weighs 112, if I recall correctly. It’s got a magnet as big as my ass.

61. Mrs. Peel - September 24, 2007

My friends,

@ 35, that’s exactly why I posted the link – I knew it would get lost, and I knew that the handful of folks who read my site would enjoy it. I typically only scan the open blog posts myself. I think Ace’s general policy of keeping it to weekends only may work, and help keep the site from being destroyed the way protein wisdom was. I do like several of the openbloggers, but if people try to imitate Ace as everyone tried, and failed, to imitate Jeff @ PW, well, not for me, my friends! Not for me!

62. daveintexas - September 24, 2007

Oh, and LD, I’m sorry you are feeling poorly and are also lonely.

Talk to lauraw. She can help you heal up and open that friggin softpack and put me some fuckin knowledge..

I’m a mess, aren’t I?

63. mesablue - September 24, 2007

A Mesaboog Mk III weighs 112

Mine, a combo, didn’t weigh that much.But, it was pretty f-ing heavy. I had another speaker cab for it and added together it was a bit more than that. Oh, and LOUD.

My Hot Rod Deville isn’t much lighter. Definitely feels heavier than the Twin.

64. Mrs. Peel - September 24, 2007

poor Lipstick 😦 I feel your pain. From way over here.

You know what sucks? Whenever I get someone sick, they always get better before I do. When I had the chicken pox, I got my sister sick, but I was sick for two weeks and she was sick for about two days, and was already up and about long before I could stir from my bed of pain. I resent that. I figure if I get you sick, you should be sick at least as long as I was. It’s only fair.

ok, I gotta study. big test Wednesday.

65. Lipstick - September 25, 2007

Why do I feel that Dave is being opportunistic?

66. eddiebear - September 25, 2007

You know what sucks?
Yeah, when your daughter sneezes on you and two days later, you can’t move because you have a f*&king cold now. But I can’t take it out on her. She’s too dang cute.

67. Dave in Texas - September 25, 2007

yeah, I think it was Bill Cosby who said kids always want to kiss you when they have that “glazed donut face”.

68. Mrs. Michael - September 25, 2007

Sorry your feelin poopy (can I say poopy?) Lipstick.

Lauraw’s soup will be great. But also consider…

Juice! Juice! Juice!
Water. Water. Water.
Sleep… sleep….sleep.

An old buddy of mine swore that the best way to get over anything was to drink a six-pack and go to sleep and then you’d feel great when(ever) you woke up….never tried that one.

69. eddiebear - September 25, 2007

Sometimes, I feel as though I am living through one of his routines when I have to “debate” with her over whether or not she should eat 5 cookies at one time.

70. Retired Geezer - September 25, 2007

I have to “debate” with her over whether or not she should eat 5 cookies at one time.

Heck, Mrs. Geezer has that debate with me all the time.

71. Michael - September 25, 2007

For what it’s worth, Gabriel did not get his ass kicked by AlextheChick. He was making a proper distinction between “standing” to sue and substantive legal rights. Standing can be a complex and technical subject, but it is certainly true that you can have standing, but not a substantive right to enforce. (It’s also true that you can have standing and a substantive right, but no remedy. Heh.)

Also, please note that the 14th Amendment guarantees due process of law to “any person,” not just to citizens and legal residents. This is why, for example the Army, at great expense, holds prisoners at Gitmo and the CIA uses secret prisons on foreign soil. They are trying to stay outside the jurisdictional reach of U.S. courts. If terrorists were held at a CIA prison on U.S. soil, legal rights would attach (e.g., trial by a jury of their peers) and they would have standing to sue about stuff like prison conditions.

Thus, Gabriel was technically correct in suggesting that the Nicaraguan plaintiff (mentioned in the article he linked) was being treated as less than a person, and he was not being farfetched as suggested by Alex.

I don’t think Gabriel explained any of this very well (certainly not in the post), and you can say what you will about his tone, but he was making a valid legal point. Similarly, his observation about the discussion amongst the Blount County Commission was dead on:

All of these people miss what should be obvious: a person’s immigration status is irrelevant for purposes of determining standing to seek an order of protection. It is similarly irrelevant for purposes of making civil suits or seeking other judicial remedies.

This is just settled constitutional law, and not a public policy issue as suggested by Alex.

72. daveintexas - September 25, 2007

If brevity is the soul of wit, clarity is its collarbone.

Or pinky toe.

It’s something.

73. Cuffy Meigs - September 25, 2007

He’s still a dick.

74. Michael - September 25, 2007

Well, he still has a point, so you should call him a pointy dick.

75. lauraw - September 25, 2007


76. Michael - September 25, 2007

Over at AOSHQ, Entropy is still questioning how an illegal alien who should be deported can have standing, and demanding a SCOTUS citation on the subject. Here’s my attempt to sort it out (PEDANTIC LECTURE WARNING):

We seem to be confusing discrete legal issues, so let’s try to sort this out.

Due process: A collection of constitutional rights, including access to the courts and measures designed to ensure procedural fairness, which attach to any person within the jurisdiction of the U.S., regardless of citizenship or immigration status.

Substantive rights: This is the question of whether the plaintiff has something to sue about. Illegal immigrants my lack all kinds of substantive rights that are available to citizens. For example, they could not sue to enforce their right to vote, because they don’t have such a right. In this case, however, the Nicaraguan woman had a statutory right to seek protection of her personal safety.

Standing: This is the question of whether the plaintiff is the right person to assert the substantive right, i.e., who owns the claim. Normally, this issue arises in connection with representation, e.g., who is the right person to represent someone that is incompetent, is the Sierra Club the right person to seek enforcement of environmental laws, etc. The Nicaraguan woman was plainly the right person to assert her own statutory right to a protective order.

Deportation: This is totally a red herring in connection with Gabriel’s post. If the plaintiff is in the country illegally, she can be deported at any time, regardless of whether she has shown up in court or not (she has a few due process rights in connection with deportation, BTW). This is the job of the INS. A judge has no authority to assume the role of a police agency and attempt to evict litigants from the country.

What The Judge Did: Apparently he denied the plaintiff access to the judicial system on the basis of her citizenship and/or immigration status. If true, this was an egregious due process violation, and he should be removed.

What The County Commissioners Did: As Gabriel pointed out, they generally made fools of themselves by sounding as if immigration status determined standing, and by ignoring the actual due process issue.

I doubt, by the way, that we could find a SCOTUS case on the question of whether standing is affected by immigration status, simply because it’s an absurd argument that nobody would make. A plaintiff’s immigration status is simply irrelevant to the question of whether he owns the claim under consideration. If somebody beat me up, I’m the right person to sue for assault regardless of the fact that I might not be here legally. And I’m also the right person to deport, regardless of whether my case has come to trial. I could still come back on a visa to continue the suit.

77. daveintexas - September 25, 2007

Oh who could beat you up?

78. Michael - September 25, 2007

Well, nobody, given my crimefighting skilz. It was just a hypothetical example.

79. Mr Minority - September 25, 2007

I understanding (considering I am an Engineer and don’t chase ambulances for a living) what you are saying, but as I said in my comment to that post, common sense would say: grant her the protection she seeks, and then deport her and hubby’s asses if they are here illegally.

And are you saying that any “person”, whether they are here illegally or legally have the right to the due process of American law? But in my handy little pocket Constitution (that I carry in my computer bag) the 14th Amendment says: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof…” It doesn’t mention persons here ILLEGALLY at all. So what gives?

80. Michael - September 25, 2007

And are you saying that any “person”, whether they are here illegally or legally have the right to the due process of American law?


But in my handy little pocket Constitution . .

Pull that sucker back out of your computer bag (geek!) and read the next sentence. The framers were very specific about this. The “privileges and immunities” clause applies only to citizens; the due process clause protects “any person.” They clearly intended that the U.S. would guarantee due process to persons within its jurisdiction who are not citizens, and our courts have enforced this guarantee. Thus, for example, the police cannot arrest illegal aliens and summarily throw them into jail without a trial.

The first sentence, which you were quoting, is the definition of citizenship. It does not grant any rights.

81. Mr Minority - September 25, 2007



I bow down to the oh “knowledgeable one” and admit that I didn’t read far enough, and stand corrected.

To continue the 14th Amendment:
“…nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;…”

82. Cuffy Meigs - September 25, 2007

He’s still a dick.

btw, I was talking about King Herrod.


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