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All Day Long I Think of Things But Nothing Seems to Satisfy February 7, 2008

Posted by skinbad in Crime, Man Laws, Terrorist Hemorrhoids, Travel.

Paranoia? Probably. I’ve only flown a few times since 9/11. I don’t really enjoy anything about the experience. I don’t know how airplane warriors (especially tall ones like Michael) do it. Guys (and gals)? Do you find yourself wondering “What would I do if . . . ?” 

Figuring my fount of original thoughts ended in about 4th grade when I tried to “invent” a flavored marble (jaw breaker that would NEVER get smaller), I thought someone else must have been thinking about this. Sure enough.

I thought I should probably pack some gloves in my carry-on (kevlar would be nice, or just some good leather work gloves). I should probably have a jacket, blanket, or bat cape handy to wrap an arm in, and I need something for whacking. I’m surprised to see on TSA’s website that canes and umbrellas are allowed. If I was flying more often, I think I might affect a little gimpier knee and pack a version of Old Hickory. I was relieved to find that TSA takes a hard-line on dynamite, grenades and plastic explosives:

Explosive Materials Carry-on Checked
Blasting Caps No No
Dynamite No No
Fireworks No No
Flares (in any form) No No
Hand Grenades No No
Plastic Explosives No No
Realistic Replicas of Explosives No No

Finally, I know Sean Penn isn’t held in the highest regard among this group, but I’ve always thought the following scene from Bad Boys showed some ingenuity. Maybe I should throw in a pillowcase and count on being able to bum a few Cokes from a flight attendant.

Any ideas to upgrade my plan?


1. kevlarchick - February 7, 2008

Sock full of nickels. That’s what I’d use.

2. PattyAnn - February 7, 2008

Paul “KC” Kersey

3. Cathy - February 7, 2008

Good idea, Kev-Honey!

Skinny. You can’t depend upon flight attendants. Sometimes they get skimpy and give you a little plastic glass and water down the soda with ice.

But some chunky high-heels in that pillow case would do the trick. If you get stopped and they open your luggage and look at you wondering why you have a pair of female high heels in your bag, just raise one eyebrow and give them a little smile. They’ll pack that bag back up fast and let you go.

4. Pupster - February 7, 2008

Nice headline Skinbad.

That first link provided a lot of good information and tactics. What is most important, in any crisis situation, is to not lose your head. Don’t panic. It is very difficult to fight for your life when you’ve compos-ted yourself as soon as a threat materializes.

“Have a plan to kill everyone you meet”.

And a sack full of doorknobs.

5. Cathy - February 7, 2008

GLAR, Pupst. Quiet Fella comes out to play!

6. See-Dubya - February 7, 2008

I’ve had one of these–or the equivalent model– since before Sept. 11th and now I carry it every time I fly:


Never had any trouble from TSA.

I often used to carry a sealed bottle of booze, too–which is a two-pound frangible glass bat that will send a hijacker to meet Allah smelling like haram.

7. Retired Geezer - February 7, 2008

I think all Skinbad needs to do is keep that ‘Major Award Winning Target’ handy. Stare proudly at it in the waiting area.

Just sayin’

8. See-Dubya - February 7, 2008

But hey, you’re just being paranoid: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28875&only&rss

9. geoff - February 7, 2008

I always have heroic plans for defending the safety of the passengers and crew, but then I invariably fall asleep before takeoff.

I hope the terrorists are really loud.

10. eddiebear - February 7, 2008


Here’s a weapon that will deinitely floor anybody.

11. Cathy - February 7, 2008

^ I laughed so hard I was crying, EB.

12. pajama momma - February 7, 2008

When I was in the airport in Acapulco last month I was very disappointed to see I couldn’t bring any car batteries, gallon cans of paint thinner or axes on board anymore. It’s a damn shame.

13. eddiebear - February 7, 2008

The video was what did it for me.

The closest I ever came to that was in Amsterdam, when I ate some pickled herring from a street vendor.

14. GrumpyUnk - February 7, 2008

Remember, Total Paranoia = Total Awareness. 😉

I have a particular writing pen I always carry on flights. It’s an advertising give away for some sort of medicine. Very heavy and sturdy construction. Quite capable of puncturing anyone, anywhere. (including the temporal areas of the skull). It’s always in my shirt pocket. 10+ flights and TSA doesn’t seem to worry.

2 rolls of quarters in the right hand jacket pocket. (Not in the carry on bag.) A bandana/snot rag, what ever you want to call it, in the right rear pocket of the jeans, pants, etc. Tell the TSA you’re going to the casino at your destination.

Anything you plan on using must be immediately accessible. A .45 in the overhead storage won’t help a bit if you can’t get at it.

Your personal attitude to NOT be a victim is probably more important than anything.

The seats come off and and have straps on them for flotation. Good defense against blades.
Check out the passengers around you. Pick out who you’re going to call on if trouble develops BEFORE you need to. Sometimes, it only takes 1 person to speak up to get the rest of the folks on the right track.

See-Dub mentions canes/umbrellas – I’ve never considered a cane before. Hell, as stove up with arthritis as I am, a cane’s not much of a stretch. Get one of the heavy ass ones that guys used for livestock shows. I’ve still got an old heavy hickory one that my Dad used for years. My brother bought it for FFA hog shows around 1965. Heavy as hell and wouldn’t break if you smacked it on concrete.

Remember, people can laugh at you for being prepared and having a plan, but shit does happen and you can do a lot of very subtle things to be 1 step ahead.

Tell me the Boy Scouts are wrong about “Be Prepared.”
OK, y’all can flame me now. My wife doesn’t even know I carry this shit when we fly.

15. Lipstick - February 7, 2008

Flame you?!

I want you on every flight I take!

16. Cathy - February 7, 2008

Me too!

17. Lipstick - February 7, 2008

Mr. Lipstick’s friend has a problem and I wondered if any of you have ideas of how to handle it.

Friend owns a house in another state (TX) which he has rented to a tenant for some years. Friend/Owner agrees to install new air conditioner and tenant works out a deal with the A/C company and they install it. Owner sends a check for $5.000 to tenant to pay for new A/C unit.

Tenant cashes check and never pays A/C company, they go to court, tenant loses case but still refuses to pay. Now the A/C company is suing the owner. Tenant won’t take owner’s calls.

The owner has been unaware of all of this until he recently got served.

What would you do?

Thank you.

18. Retired Geezer - February 7, 2008

What would you do?

Send DinT, he owes Michael a Little Favor.

19. GrumpyUnk - February 7, 2008

Thanks ladies.
Usually, any serious discussion about preparedness – no matter if it’s fire alarms, economics, flying, or whatever, it gets flamed. Most folks want to ignore everyday bad shit, like wearing seat belts, because it can’t happen to them. You don’t have to be a crazy, paranoid bastard like me, to know that bad things happen randomly to good people.

With that AC problem, a lawyer is the ONLY answer. Unfortunately, he’ll probably get hosed by the deadbeat renter. As Daddy always said, “You can’t make ice cream out of shit”.

20. Lipstick - February 7, 2008

Say hello to D in T’s little friend?

Wait, that didn’t come out right . . .

21. skinbad - February 7, 2008

Why is the guy still a tenant?

22. eddiebear - February 7, 2008
23. Lipstick - February 7, 2008

Grumpy, hang out here more — we, (if I may speak for us), like to be prepared.

24. Lipstick - February 7, 2008

Why is the guy still a tenant?

Cause the owner just found out about this today when he got served. He called the tenant who said “I can’t talk now, lemme call you back”.

25. geoff - February 7, 2008

You can’t really do much, but the usual:

A. Start the eviction process
B. File a suit against the renter
C. Pay the utility company, because they won’t take “later” for an answer

This is why I have an agent handling our rental – I never have to deal with this sort of stuff, and they only take 10%/month.

26. Mrs. Peel - February 7, 2008

Sell the house to me instead. I’m in the market.

Seriously, I don’t know. Set a collection agent on the guy? Have the judge throw his sorry ass in jail if he continues to refuse to pay?

27. Lipstick - February 7, 2008

10% is very reasonable!

Thank you Geoff.

28. See-Dubya - February 7, 2008

Speaking of preparedness: Here’s a conversation between me and Mrs. See-Dub last night:

ME: When we move into our new house, we’re going to need to get a new gun to protect the place. Even in the suburbs, things can get dicey.

MSD: Well, you know that worries me with the kids.

ME: (Expecting to have been laughed out of the room, but recovering quickly) Right. So one thing we can do about that, they have these little gun safes that have a fingerprint ID lock and only my fingerprint or yours can open it up. It’s not ideal, but I’d be willing to compromise… (Whoa! Time to look magnanimous and competent!)

MSD: Why isn’t it ideal?

ME: Well, that’s one more electronic doohickey that could go wrong, but it might be a reasonable tradeoff…

MSD: Hmm, OK.

ME: (knows when to quit, keeps mouth shut.)

All you IB gentlemen out there may now give me a high-five. I apparently stillnow have a way with the ladies!

And let me know if you have any better ideas for secure, quickly accessible handgun storage.

29. Cathy - February 7, 2008

Lipstick, I had a good giggle @20. Although I was thinking about the Kimber. Like everybody else. Right?


Lipstick, About the tenant, ask our lawyers. And Geoff’s got some good ideas, there. Michael’s not home yet. He’ll have answers.

Lawyers, guns and money solve most of these little problems.

30. Cathy - February 7, 2008

See-Dubya, (@28) a guy at the Powder Room where we shot last week demonstrated how those little safes work. They are great. I was impressed and they didn’t cost that much either.

31. GrumpyUnk - February 8, 2008

Lipstick. Thanks. I stop here most days. I just don’t comment.

Being prepared is all about thinking ahead and having the proper mindset.

Maybe being an ER Nurse for so many years and hearing folks say “Damn, if only…”, has made me this way.

32. maybe it's Bart, maybe it's not - February 8, 2008

You can’t really do much, but the usual:

A. Start the eviction process
B. File a suit against the renter
C. Pay the utility company, because they won’t take “later” for an answer

This is great advice, but I would handle it slightly differently.
For instance, step 1 would be to go to house at a 4am and drag renter out of bed. Step 2, you demand the $5K or tell him that you’ll destroy whatever he holds most dear in this world. And finally, step 3 would be to, well, hopefully it won’t come to step 3.

33. Lipstick - February 8, 2008

Thanks everybody.

About gun safes, we have one and it is big — about 5 feet tall with a 7 digit code you have to punch in and a big wheel thing to turn. When Mr. Lipstick is away I like to keep it open rather than have to scramble in the dark in case of emergency.

An old boyfriend used to keep a loaded pistol in its holster velcroed to the back of the headboard.

But there are no children involved, just curious ferrets.

34. Lipstick - February 8, 2008

Bart, I like the way you think!

35. Cathy - February 8, 2008

Good form, Bart.

36. Terri - February 8, 2008

See-Dubya, (@28). We have a GunVault Gun Safe http://www.gunvault.com/ on the headboard. We keep it closed during the day and open at night. Works wonderfully. All we’ve had to do is change the battery every five years or so. Very dependable.

In my opinion, though, I have to say that the best way to keep your kids safe around guns is to train the kids. Parents train kids about safe-handling of knives and matches. Guns should be no different. Training the kids removes the “curiosity quotient” out of which many tragic accidents arise.

Train the kids:
(1) Guns are weapons, not toys.
(2) What to do when they see one laying on the floor. (Answer: Don’t pick it up, tell an adult)
(3) How to handle and shoot the weapon safely.

37. Sobek - February 8, 2008

Good on ya, See Dub.

I plan on getting a gun safe so I can keep it closer to where I sleep, but right now, just playing the odds, if I have the gun too accessible it is far more likely that my curious kiddos would find it than that an intruder will break in. (On the other hand, I don’t think he could rack the slide — or that he would even know to do so — but even so I’m too scared to move the gun closer to the bed).

38. Sobek - February 8, 2008

“Training the kids removes the ‘curiosity quotient’…”

That’s our eventual goal, but our three kids are 5, almost 3, and almost 1. Right now I prefer they not even know there is a gun in the house. When they get older I will train them, but not yet.

39. Retired Geezer - February 8, 2008

Right now I prefer they not even know there is a gun in the house.

Yeah, that avoids the problem when the schoolteacher asks “Do Daddy and Mommy have guns?”

Judging from the way you and Mrs. Sobek shot, I would not want to be a burglar.

40. See-Dubya - February 8, 2008

Eventually I’d like a big safe for rifles and shotguns, but that would likely go down in the basement or something. That Gun Vault sounds like what I need to have one gun accessible at night. I might get a slightly larger one and just keep the rifle and shotgun ammo in there; that way I won’t need to worry about the kids and the long guns. That I, um, may or may not have.

As for training, I was well-trained from a young age: http://junkyardblog.net/archives/2007/04/horrors-cnn-vid.php

I’ll do the same for my kids.

41. Michael - February 8, 2008

I’m home.

Mr. Lipstick’s friend has a problem and I wondered if any of you have ideas of how to handle it.

1. FYI, Mr. Lipstick’s friend is an idiot for sending the check to the tenant instead of the contractor. Just sayin’.

2. Every state has a statute establishing something that is variously called a “mechanic’s lien,” “materialmen’s lien,” etc. It is intended to protect innocent contractors against nonpayment for work performed and materials supplied in situations like this. The idea is that they have a lien against the property, regardless of who owns it, who ordered the work, whether they were the prime contractor or subcontractor, etc. Your hubby’s friend/owner had no contractual relationship with the A/C company, so presumably the A/C company is suing him to foreclose on such a statutory lien.

3. All is not necessarily lost for Mr. Big Stick’s friend. There are usually procedural requirements that must be followed to make such a lien enforceable, such as notice to the owner and joinder in the original case against the tenant. Your friend/owner should not have been surprised by this. It may be that the A/C company blew his lien by failing to follow the proper procedures. Back in the day, I won a case on the basis of these technicalities. I was representing an owner getting sued by a subcontractor who had worked on a swimming pool. The subcontractor got screwed. 🙂

4. Advice for the rest of you — if you are getting work done on your house, be sure to ask the prime contractor for “lien waivers” from any subcontractors involved in the job before work starts.

42. eddiebear - February 8, 2008

^and the way most schools are nowadays, Family Services would be at your house in record time if the kiddos said mom and dad had a gun. One of the reasons I prefer a shotgun is because they are generally too heavy for a soon to be 3 year old to handle. And all you need to be is close enough with one of those pieces of iron to be effective.

OTOH, my brother’s 9MM piece of crap *ahem* malfunctioned because of *ahem* sand jamming it*ahem*, and he was able to *ahem* obtain a 1911. And he told me today that he is happier with the results.

Of course, he also told me that an Iraqi local working at his base snuck up behind a female soldier and started groping her. She promptly turned around and smashed him in the head with the butt end of her rifle and floored him.

He thinks he’s in love.

43. eddiebear - February 8, 2008

My “^” was meant for RG #39.

Michael, I am a Notary Public, and I see Lien Waivers every day from customers of ours. We have to really be careful with our customers, because we do most of our work on Credit Terms or COD. We have to protect ourselvesfrom NSF Checks, people stiffing us, stringing us out, etc.

Usually, when we finally lawyer up and wind up getting the sheriff of whatever county a deadbeat customer is located showing up wanting the guy’s SUV or GoKart in lieu of payment, the checks miraculously come in to us. Sadly, we have blown a ton of $ on lawyers, court costs, collection agents, what have you, to get that $ sometimes years later. By then, that deal was a loser for us.

44. Lipstick - February 8, 2008

Michael, thank you so much for weighing in on this after working late.

I will forward the information on.

Thank you!

45. Michael - February 8, 2008

Sadly, we have blown a ton of $ on lawyers . . .

Somehow, that doesn’t make me sad.

46. Michael - February 8, 2008

IB Factoid of the Day™: When you take your car to Jiffy Lube for an oil change, the shop has a mechanic’s lien on the vehicle and has the legal right to impound your car until you pay.

47. eddiebear - February 8, 2008

heh. No, what I mean is that we have spent a lot of money pursuing deadbeats for what results in minimal returns. Our lawyers are very good, and have been very professional. It’s just the thought of chasing these losers that aggravates me.

48. eddiebear - February 8, 2008

Sometimes, Jiffy Lube will change the oil in your car and not give you new oil.

Just sayin’

49. Michael - February 8, 2008

Here’s some good news: I just went to Miami and back, going through St. Louis on the way out and Dallas on the way home.

Nothing went wrong!!!

All the flights were on time. I got most of the upgrades I requested. It was just a hassle-free trip.

I can’t remember the last time that happened.

50. Cathy - February 8, 2008

I just knew Michael’s sexy lawyer talk would save the day, LS!

51. Cathy - February 8, 2008

Night guys!

52. eddiebear - February 8, 2008

My dad is going to surpise my mom for her 60th birthday with a trip to DC. I told him when he flies into the airport there and gets a rental car, do not accept their offer for an upgrade for any extra money. They usually give me one anyway at no extra charge.

53. eddiebear - February 8, 2008

Night! I was going to go dark because of the shooting in Kirkwood City Hall, but I have to vent somehow.

54. Lipstick - February 8, 2008

It did! And thank you for sparing him when he just got home.

Now go welcome that sexy lawyer boy back home! heh hehe heh . . .

55. Michael - February 8, 2008

I was going to go dark because of the shooting in Kirkwood City Hall, but I have to vent somehow.

Yeah, that hit close to home. Cathy graduated from Kirkwood H.S., and we have both lived there.

56. Dave in Texas - February 8, 2008

Most of the time when I get on a plane I look around and identify the other bad asses I’m likely to call upon if the shit hits the fan. It’s been an unspoken agreement since 9/11, and is usually communicated and received with nothing more than a look and a little attitude.

57. Mrs. Peel - February 8, 2008

sexy lawyer talk

*whirring* *beeping*

Does not compute!

58. Mrs. Peel - February 8, 2008

By the way, I was kidding, not trying to insult Michael or other lawyers. I’m clarifying that because everyone seems to be a little on edge lately. Except me, of course.

*dog barks*


59. eddiebear - February 8, 2008

^I agree. Sometimes, I get the feeling some are wound a little too tight and take offense at the littlest thing.
*trucker calls*



60. Cathy - February 8, 2008

^ GLAR, Mrs. Peel.

What you said is interesting, Dave. Next time I fly, I’m going to watch for that. I don’t think anybody will give me the look or a nod though.

61. lauraw - February 8, 2008

Dave @ #56: Dave, doing the Haka as you get on the plane is not an ‘unspoken agreement.’

62. Dave in Texas - February 8, 2008

I’m results-oriented.

63. Cathy - February 8, 2008

Laura — the tongue thrust got to me, by golly.

64. lauraw - February 8, 2008

**stifling many filthy remarks**

65. Retired Geezer - February 8, 2008


66. Retired Geezer - February 8, 2008

*wipes forehead*

OK, you’ll like this LGF story.


67. compos mentis - February 8, 2008

**stifling many filthy remarks**

define describe filthy . . .

68. pajama momma - February 8, 2008

Dave @ #56: Dave, doing the Haka as you get on the plane is not an ‘unspoken agreement.’

I guess the cheerleaders were busy that day.

69. Mrs. Skinny - February 8, 2008

I had just gotten home from my second city council meeting as a city council person and read about the Kirkwood shooting. Makes me want to start packin’ a Kimber to the next meetings!

70. eddiebear - February 8, 2008

^Does Utah have rules regarding conceal/carry?

71. kevlarchick - February 8, 2008

That’s right Miz Skinny.

72. eddiebear - February 8, 2008

I don’t think Kirkwood or MO allows conceal/carry in venues such as a City Council meeting.

73. sandy burger - February 8, 2008

Your personal attitude to NOT be a victim is probably more important than anything.

Exactly. I think it’s highly unlikely that a few lunatics could hijack a plane with just box-cutters today, because Americans’ mindset has changed; we know better now. That’s why they’ve been trying to sneak on explosives; knives just aren’t gonna cut it any more.

When I fly, I prepare for terrorist attack by making sure I’ve got lots of liquid courage flowing through my veins. Just in case. Some would call me a hero, but in truth I’m just an ordinary man doing his part, for God and country.

The trick is properly sweet-talking the stewardesses so that I can get lots of booze from them without them thinking I’m gonna be an annoying drunk. It’s an art form.

74. Sobek - February 8, 2008

Sandy Burger: Hitting the Sauce for Freedom!

75. Michael - February 8, 2008

It’s people like you, Sandy, that make me so darn proud to be an American.

76. skinbad - February 8, 2008

re. packing’ a Kimber

Mrs. S has an eye for quality (and $). Damn you Dave. And damn Pupster while I’m at it. She fell in love with his GPS.

77. Dave in Texas - February 8, 2008


Tell her I said nothing is too good for her and to spare no expense.

78. eddiebear - February 8, 2008

Sandy is the true meaning of “truth to power”

79. eddiebear - February 8, 2008

The local call in shows are talking about this Kirkwood shooting, and damn near every caller is either:
a) wanting to ban guns.
b) making excuses for the shooter
c) blaimng the governmnet for not doing more for him
d) blaimng the white people in Kirkwood.

The Oprahfication of society marches on.

80. Cathy - February 8, 2008

Kimber-Packin IB-Wimmins.

Nice ring to it.

81. Dave in Texas - February 8, 2008

I know the shooting went well (I saw the results). All the ladies got a good feel for the serious action. What about your other impressions though, I’m curious? How did you feel about loading the mag, racking the slide, getting it ready for the killin?

I find the .45 in general an easier weapon to load than a 9mm.

82. Sobek - February 8, 2008

The thumb switch (not sure what it’s called) to close the slide was too far forward. It’s in the perfect place on my XD.

83. Dave in Texas - February 8, 2008

Not my fault you got short thumbs. Even for a croc.

ok, actually it’s a little hard for me to reach easily.

Interesting tip on the Bersa .380 for Pups… if you give the magazine a solid smack, the slide will close without you having to release it. Kinda nice for an inexpensive gun.

84. See-Dubya - February 8, 2008

Hey IB peoples: Is Dave’s Kimber that everyone likes so much with a 3.5″ barrel or a 4.25″?

I’m, um, just curious and this has nothing to do with comment 28 above. Nothing. It’s not like I’m looking at catalogs now or anything.

85. Sobek - February 8, 2008

Interesting trivia on my XD: the thumb switch is really hard to push down when the magazine is empty. When it’s full, the switch just slides right down.

86. skinbad - February 8, 2008

I only shot one mag through the Bersa. The trigger seemed much different than anything else I’ve shot. Is the Bersa an example of SA/DA? It seemed weird. Just unfamiliar to me I guess.

87. Sobek - February 8, 2008

I’m guessing 3.5. It felt really small. I have a four inch barrel on my XD.

88. Dave in Texas - February 8, 2008

See-Dub, it’s this one:


3″ barrel.

And yeah, the Bersa (and the Walther) are DA/SA

89. kevlarchick - February 8, 2008

I have trouble loading any clips. Have to practice, according to Pupster.

And I know I saw Geezer bleeding from all that “practice.” Maybe I’ll stick to a revolver.

Is there a revolver bigger than a .22 but smaller than a .38 that has a short barrel?

90. See-Dubya - February 8, 2008

Hmm, then there shouldn’t be controllability issues for Mrs. See-Dub with a heavier steel gun and a 3.5″ barrel. That was one of my concerns.

Unless everyone is just scared to admit that Dave’s gun frightened and hurt them.

91. See-Dubya - February 8, 2008

Kevlarchick–they made a .32 H&R magnum for a while that might fit your needs. Ruger made one, I think.

92. Lipstick - February 8, 2008

I think KC remembers seeing my left hand fly off the handle every time I shot the .38

93. Lipstick - February 8, 2008

It’s probably not called a handle either.

*slinking away*

94. Dave in Texas - February 8, 2008


It’s called the “friendly end”.

The other part is the “unfriendly end”.

95. See-Dub - February 8, 2008
96. kevlarchick - February 8, 2008

I do remember that Lips. I have shot a .38 snubby. I like the size of the gun and the ease of a revolver, but the kick on that thing is something.

Thanks Dub.

97. Dave in Texas - February 8, 2008

In case you hadn’t heard, Ace was given the CPAC Blogger of the Year award today.

I’m thinking co-bloggers will get dental now.

98. skinbad - February 8, 2008

She got a .32 gun in her pocketbook for fun
got a tactical blade in her shoe

99. Russ from Winterset - February 8, 2008

See-Dubya is right, the .32 H&R magnum was offered by Ruger, but it was also offered by Taurus (I think) and Charter Arms. The Ruger is going to be the most expensive of those choices, but it’s because of the quality, so it’s probably worth the extra cost.

If I remember correctly, Ruger also offered a smaller revolver (2″ or 3″ barrel) in 9mm as well. It was supposed to be a small backup for cops, so they wouldn’t have to buy 2 different types of ammo to back up their semiauto nines.

If you could find a smaller 9mm revolver, it would be cheaper to shoot than the .32 H&R mag. Even the practice ammo for the .32 (you can use .32 S&W long in the .32 mag) is about twice the price per box of regular “white box” 9mm ammo, plus 9mm ammo has more options (soft point, hollow point, full metal jacket, frangible, shot rounds, Federal “center-post” hollow points, subsonic rounds, etc.) than .32 H&R magnum (which is pretty much just lead semi-wadcutter & semi-jacketed hollow point). Cost isn’t a small factor in choosing a gun: a 20 round box of .32 H&R mag is about the same price as a 50 round box of 9mm, IIRC).

Of course, you should go look at other options for a .38 revolver before you buy something. I’m sure someone makes a gun that is “just right” for “Goldilockschick”.

100. Russ from Winterset - February 8, 2008

Ace got the CPAC blogger of the year award? Even after the whole Seahorse Kerfluffle?

Good for him. He deserves credit for running a solid operation.

101. Russ from Winterset - February 8, 2008

Here’s a link to a Gunbroker.com search on 32 H&R mag.


Here’s another one under “revolvers” category for 9mm


I wouldn’t use Gunbroker prices to shop with (they range from ridiculously high to occasionally low, but the average is probably higher than average retail, by the time you figure in shipping & the cost of having a FFL holder do the transaction for you. The only real price bargains you’ll find there are on older guns that don’t have as much collector mojo yet, and the bargains there are still hard to find). Just browse over there to find something that looks good to you, and then ask your gun-buddies what they think of the model.

102. Lipstick - February 8, 2008

It’s called the “friendly end”.

I like to call the business end the “part that go bang”. I try to be professional. 🙂

And congrats to Mrs. Skinbad for kicking ass on her first time shooting a pistol! That’s so cool.

103. skinbad - February 8, 2008

9mm revolver for the Mrs. is an interesting idea Russ. That would let me stick to one kind of cheap ammo. There’s a Taurus 905 at GunsAmerica. You are like a firearm Buddha. And you’ve got the hair thing down as well.

104. Russ from Winterset - February 9, 2008

Skinny, when you hear my advice, just close your eyes and picture it coming from your favorite mailman, Cliff Klaven. That’s closer to real life than the Buddha thing, IMHO.

105. eddiebear - February 9, 2008

LS 102:
I always loved when I was in the military how the claymore mines always had on the part that went bang something along the lines of “front toward enemy”. That was always reassuring.

106. lauraw - February 9, 2008

Ace got the CPAC blogger of the year award? Even after the whole Seahorse Kerfluffle?

I know, I KNOW, OK??
No more kitties or sea creatures or drunk-blogging, Ace has a brand to protect.

If perverted news of the weird stories have to go away too, I guess I’m done over there, but it was a good run.

107. Dave in Texas - February 9, 2008


108. Retired Geezer - February 9, 2008

At least you didn’t post pictures of my Horses.

Or Grandkids.

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