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Please make it so.. August 27, 2010

Posted by wiserbud in Art, Entertainment, Music, Pop Culture.
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A few weeks ago, on another thread here, I mentioned a theory that I have regarding how to tell when the end of a popular music artist’s career is at hand.

Basically, my theory is (ignoring the numerous amount of covers that all artists did in the 50s and 60s.  Hell, without covers, Joe Cocker wouldn’t have had a career.):

If you are doing a cover version of a previously popular song, you have reached the end of your ride and will most likely never have another hit again.

I base this theory, in part, on artists like these, who were, at one time, huge, but today, not so much.

Counting Crows – Big Yellow Taxi
Sheryl Crow – First Cut is the Deepest
Guns & Roses – Knocking on Heaven’s Door
Metallica – Turn the Page
Smashmouth (doubly cursed) –  I’m a Believer and Why Can’t We Be Friends

So, with that theory in mind, I am extremely hopeful that we will never have to hear from this annoying idiot ever again.

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1. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

*cough*Linda Ronstadt*cough*

Sorry about your theory.

2. Z - August 27, 2010

I did say “for the most part.”

Some artists’ entire careers were based on doing covers. But if you are a musician who got popular doing your own music, as soon as you release a cover song, it’s like the kiss of death to your career.

And which song did Linda Ronstadt do that was a big hit before she had a hit with it?

3. Z - August 27, 2010

I did say “for the most part.”

Okay, I didn’t say that specifically, but I implied it.

4. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

Rolling Stones.

5. Z - August 27, 2010

Rolling Stones.

Quote: ignoring the numerous amount of covers that all artists did in the 50s and 60s. Unquote.

6. Z - August 27, 2010

The Beatles did covers too. Bowie put out Pin -Ups, an album of nothing but covers.

Doesn’t make my theory of current popular artists any less valid.

7. TXMarko - August 27, 2010

Ronstadts cover of the Stones “Tumblin’ Dice” was quite a bit better than the original, IMHO.

8. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

Jackson Browne

9. Z - August 27, 2010

Ronstadts cover of the Stones “Tumblin’ Dice” was quite a bit better than the original, IMHO.

Was that really a big hit for the Stones?

Jackson Browne

Name his last big hit. And besides, the cover he did was not a huge hit for the Eagles.

10. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

“Stay” was enormous.

Pat Green.

I can do this all day you know.

11. Z - August 27, 2010

“Stay” was enormous.

That was not a cover. That was part of a medley and used as a footnote to the point of the original song.

Using your logic, then Eddie Money using “Be my little baby” in his song “Just Like Ronnie Said” is a cover.

I can do this all day you know.

So can I.

Can you name anyone who was popular in the last 20 to 30 years who would undermine my theory?

12. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

>> That was part of a medley and used as a footnote to the point of the original song.

Oh please. We gotta have rules about covers now, like it has to be the original sheet music?

I’ve already named three. You gave me Eddie Money.

Actually, since when did John Mayer qualify as popular?

13. TXMarko - August 27, 2010

Was that really a big hit for the Stones?

It reached #7 on the chart, and stayed for 10 weeks.

… and I can’t do this all day.

14. Z - August 27, 2010

Actually, since when did John Mayer qualify as popular?

Oh, come on.

“His first two studio albums, Room for Squares and Heavier Things, did well commercially, achieving multi-platinum status. In 2003, he won a Best Male Pop Vocal Performance Grammy Award for “Your Body Is a Wonderland”.”

15. Z - August 27, 2010

Stones fall into the category of artists that could put out spoken word versions of the phonebook and people would buy it. But I doubt it would get radio play.

Ronstadt falls into the same category as Cocker. Her entire career is doing covers.

Jackson Browne did one cover of an Eagles hit and it never got very far. “Stay” was used as a part of an original song and he changed both the words and the meaning. Not exactly a cover. More like sampling.

We gotta have rules about covers now, like it has to be the original sheet music?

That would be the definition of a “cover”, yes.

16. Z - August 27, 2010

It reached #7 on the chart, and stayed for 10 weeks.

okay, maybe I should include the 70s as an era where covers were less damaging to someone’s career as well.

Unless you want to throw James Taylor at me next.

17. Car in - August 27, 2010

PEARL JAM.

Oh, wait. Nevermind.

18. Car in - August 27, 2010

And, I do want to point out that Tool does not do covers.

19. Z - August 27, 2010

And, I do want to point out that Tool does not do covers.

Who would know?

😉

20. TXMarko - August 27, 2010

Unless you want to throw James Taylor at me next.

I wouldn’t dream of throwing James Taylor at you, as I doubt I could even lift him off the ground.

Pick someone lighter, like Billy Gilman.

21. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

>> That would be the definition of a “cover”, yes.

From a clarinet player maybe.

Doing the whole tune as part of a medley is still doing the whole tune. You’re right about the Eddie Money example.

I’d include “sampling” in “not cover” territory, but you’re just flat wrong about Jackson Browne. Hell that thing might have been his biggest hit.

22. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Hell that thing might have been his biggest hit.

HAHAHA!!! Not even close.

Yer so wrong here, it’s laughable.

23. TXMarko - August 27, 2010

Hmmm. Wiki discography says Browne’s biggest hit was “Somebody’s Baby” from the Fast Times at Ridgemont High soundtrack.

Why am I thinking about Phoebe Cates right now?

24. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Without even looking, I’d bet that Running on Empty, from that same album, was a much bigger hit than Stay, (which, by the way, is only played along with The Load Out and really can’t be considered a song on it’s own. If it were, it would have never gotten airplay.)

That would be like saying “We Are The Champions” was a bigger hit than “We Will Rock You.” You don’t get one without the other.

25. Dave Ellis - August 27, 2010

Ronstadt’s first big song was Roy Orbison’s “Blue Bayou”.

26. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Again, Ronstadt’s entire career was based on doing covers.

Did she even ever write a song?

27. lauraw - August 27, 2010

28. kevl - August 27, 2010

John Mayer is a skinny, ugly, no talent stonebird. Can’t stand him.

There are lots of skinny, ugly, stonebirds out there WITH talent.

29. Car in - August 27, 2010

Who would know?

That hurts, Wiser.

30. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

Anka settles it.

31. TXMarko - August 27, 2010

Did she even ever write a song?

Looks like Ronstadt co-wrote about 3 songs in her career. This is out of 27 Studio Albums.

Easy, Breezy, Beautiful, Cover Girl!

32. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

Oh, Van Halen.

33. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Oh, Van Halen.

Pathetic, man. Just pathetic. You got anybody from within last 20 years?

As far a I can tell, Van Halen did their covers before they went huge, not after.

btw, David Lee Roth did California Girls and that was the end of the road for him as far as being a huge star.

34. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

You’re an idiot genius. Diver Down was their fifth album. Pretty Woman, Dancin in the Streets.

Of course, by your idiotic “can’t glue em together” rule, You Really Got Me doesn’t count because it’s all glued up with Eruption. Even if Toyota left Eruption out of the ad.

They didn’t know your rules.

But, I must admit, you’re still a genius.

35. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

You’re an idiot. Diver Down was their fifth album. Pretty Woman, Dancin in the Streets.

They went from being a band who had a large, but limited following to a mega group with Jump.

No covers since, unless you consider DLR’s descent into obscurity.

36. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Anka settles it.

Doesn’t he always?

37. Cathy - August 27, 2010

This topic is not my area, but I’m reading it anyway.

Carry on.

38. Dave in Texas - August 27, 2010

You’re so dumb it makes my head hurt. You make Rutherford sound erudite. Diver Down spent 65 weeks on the US charts, it sold 4 million copies in the first six years.

I can’t even talk to you anymore. I don’t even know how you find your home at night.

39. Cathy - August 27, 2010

^ WTF?

YOOOO talkin to MEEEE!!!!!????

40. Cathy - August 27, 2010

Jussss kiddin’…

41. Cathy - August 27, 2010

I don’t even know how you find your home at night.

Doesn’t leave. Problem solved.

42. Michael - August 27, 2010

You make Rutherford sound erudite.

Now that was just plain mean.

43. Dave in Texas - August 27, 2010

no, I’m arguing with wiserbud, check the context…

44. xbradtc - August 27, 2010

DinT is dumb enough to argue with Wiser. Who is dumber?

45. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

a) That album is over 25 years old.

b) The band itself (if we base it on the release of their first album) is over 30 years old.

c) The single “Jump” from their next album 1984 , released the following year, sold 3 million copies. The album sold 10 million copies in the US alone. Van Halen went from being strictly an AOR favorite to a huge, mainstream band at that point. (I would be willing to bet you that Diver Down would not have sold even half the number of albums it did without the cross-over success of 1984.)

My point was when a huge artist or band does a cover AFTER they hit superstardom, it portends the end of their ride at the top. Nearly all musicians put covers on their earlier albums.

Really, is this the best you got?

46. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

DinT is dumb enough to argue with Wiser. Who is dumber?

He’s just arguing to be difficult.

He knows I’m right. He has yet to provide any substantial evidence to the contrary and simply wants to call me “dumb” and think he’s won.

Typical liberal.

47. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Doesn’t leave. Problem solved.

It has been much easier lately.

48. kevl - August 27, 2010

I saw my first Van Halen concert when I was 13 years old.

They jumped the shark with 1984; I heard those keyboards and puked. Fair Warning was their best.

49. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

They jumped the shark with 1984; I heard those keyboards and puked. Fair Warning was their best.

I’m not arguing quality. Van Halen I is easily one of the best albums of all time.

50. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

I give you examples outside your date range that refute you, you say they’re too old. I name a platinum country guy you say you never heard of him.

Who’s being a Rutherford here?

There are dozens of examples, but I can’t just keep throwing them out to keep running afoul of your goal-post relocations. Look, if John Mayer makes you feel a little funny in the pants, and you want him to go away, I get it.

You don’t owe us any theories or explanations.

I understand man. I’m your friend.

51. kevl - August 27, 2010

David Bowie doing China Girl is teh hot

52. geoff - August 27, 2010

Part of the problem with modern covers is that the modern sound kind of sucks. [Here I’m talking about the angsty-whiny rock sound that we’ve been saddled with since the early 90’s. And rap, of course.]

53. BrewFan - August 27, 2010

Jackson Browne did one cover of an Eagles hit

I don’t think its a cover if you wrote the song. Just sayin’…

54. geoff - August 27, 2010

Van Halen I is easily one of the best albums of all time.

I liked it too, but you better ask Kanye before you make those sorts of claims.

55. Michael - August 27, 2010

Now Brewfan is moving the dang goalposts!

56. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

blah blah blah Who’s being a Rutherford here? blah blah blah

There is just so much wrong with this entire comment that I will have to take my time responding to it.

But not right now, as I need to start another load of laundry, finishing vacuuming the living room and start dinner.

57. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

It’s not a cover unless there’s 46 seconds of silence preceeding it either.

It’s a, what, it’s a slubber. That’s what it is.

Not a cover.

No way.

58. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

Yeah, well when you do respond, I am gonna come back here and reply, but first, you will blow me.

59. Michael - August 27, 2010

It’s like Dave has all of a sudden turned into a Nazi. I can’t believe it.

60. geoff - August 27, 2010

AliceH (@DPUD) dug this story up at The Hostages. I’ll bet it will make you all jealous that you didn’t think of doing it first.

61. Cathy - August 27, 2010

Who’s being a Rutherford here?

OOOOOooo!

Rutherford earned hisself a metaphor.

He’ll love that. Better than “another liberal clown” at BiW.

We’re classy that way.

62. geoff - August 27, 2010

Oops – strike “at The Hostages.”

63. Cathy - August 27, 2010

It’s like Dave has all of a sudden turned into a Nazi. I can’t believe it.

Maybe somebody’s trying to stop smoking…

64. lauraw - August 27, 2010

You two stop fighting or Cathy is gonna put you over her lap and spank you. With her bare hand.
Very slowly.
With kind of a squeezy motion at the end of each vicious spank.
While wearing a Bullwinkle the Moose costume…and chastising you harshly in German.

*beads of seat form on upper lip*

Excuse me. BBL

65. BrewFan - August 27, 2010

You two stop fighting or Cathy is gonna put you over her lap and spank you.

*makes popcorn, pulls up comfy chair*

66. Cathy - August 27, 2010

^ Yea!! What SHE said!!!

…except I think she meant “sweat” just sayin’

67. lauraw - August 27, 2010

sweat

dammit.
hate ruining a really weird comment that way

68. Cathy - August 27, 2010

*this Bullwinkle the Moose costume stinks!!!*

Whose job was it to take this to the dry-cleaners???

69. lauraw - August 27, 2010

*shoves skinned moose carcass under desk with foot, whistling innocently*

70. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

Beads of Seat would be an awesome name for a cover band.

71. Cathy - August 27, 2010

Okay, I simply can’t stand the smell of B.O. in this fuzzy thing!

*takes off Bullwinkle costume*
*throws into a pile & lights it with a match*

*puts on Popeye the Sailor costume*
*smells the pits and crotch*…passes sniff test*

Okay! Whose first? Get over here!

72. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

I give you examples outside your date range that refute you, you say they’re too old.

I later revised my date range. I also asked you, after you brought up some bands that were popular when you were in your 40s, to see if you could think of a more modern artist that might refute my theory. And you come back with….. Van Halen? Dude, VH hasn’t released any new material in over a decade and even that sucked (Thank you, Gary Cherone.)

I name a platinum country guy you say you never heard of him.

Which falls perfectly in line with my overall point. If I’ve never heard of him, he doesn’t quite meet the level of superstar, does he? Or are you trying to tell me that ol’ whats-his-name has the same name recognition as Johnny Cash or Garth Brooks?

Sorry, not even close. Being a big seller in country music is like being the bestest shortstop in your town’s Babe Ruth league. All the neighbors are impressed, but it really doesn’t mean much to the people the next town over.

There are dozens of examples,

I’ve seen 4.

Linda Ronstadt – Hard to say that doing covers will ruin one’s career when one’s entire career was doing covers. Besides, I addressed that when I referred to Joe Cocker in the original post.

Rolling Stones – addressed above.

Jackson Browne – addressed above. (worst example given, btw.)

Van Halen – Did covers before they went huge. Only David Lee Roth did covers after they went huge and you see what happened to his career. Falls perfectly in line with my theory.

but I can’t just keep throwing them out to keep running afoul of your goal-post relocations.

I can understand that. One decent one, however, would have been nice. And as for moving the goalposts, my theory, my rules. Which, by the way, I believe are pretty clearly stated. You want to keep trying to knock it down, that’s fine by me, but I really wish you would bring your ‘A’ game. So far, you have really been making it far too easy for me.

You wish to have me refine my theory? Okay. I did on the date range. If you want any other changes, you really need to give me something to work, ya know?

Oh, and just to save comments:

It’s not a cover unless there’s 46 seconds of silence preceding it either.

It’s certainly not a cover when you change the lyrics and entire meaning of the song.

73. reason - August 27, 2010

Ooooh! OOOH! I’ve got some!

1. Band that has made their career entirely out of doing covers. Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies. Look ’em up. They will destroy your childhood.

2. Someone that managed to keep a pretty decent career going after putting a cover into an album. Dave Matthews Band. “All Along the Watchtower” is on two albums, Live at Red Rocks and also on Recently.

I dunno. I don’t think that doing the cover is the kiss of death to your career. Although I do think it is a sign that maybe you are starting to run your personal muse ragged. I mean, really, how many GOOD SONGS do you think most people have in them? This is what makes the bands that just keep going for years and years and years such icons. It also helps when those groups are comprised of several writers.

You know what I think is generally the kiss of death for a musician? When one finally feels bold enough to start stepping out and voicing their opinions on social / political matters. You know what, Lady Gaga? None of the tweens that buy your albums give a crap about Prop 8. They like it better when you sing about lurvin’ and partyin’.

Put out an entire album about your opinions on gay marriage, illegal immigration, and redistribution of wealth. Awww, don’t want to? Afraid it won’t sell well? Afraid it’ll get shit for radio-play?

You’re right. It would.

So shut your pie hole and get off of Larry King Live.

74. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

*raises hand

75. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

I don’t think its a cover if you wrote the song. Just sayin’…

Yeah, my mistake. Jackson wrote and recorded it, but the Eagles actually made it a hit.

Still fits my theory.

76. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

2. Someone that managed to keep a pretty decent career going after putting a cover into an album. Dave Matthews Band. “All Along the Watchtower” is on two albums, Live at Red Rocks and also on Recently.

See, now that’s how you refute my argument.

However, (and I know this is gonna kill DinT) DM never released that as a single, did he? And every band does covers on their live albums.

I’m talking about those who specifically record and release a cover as a single, in an attempt to leech off the success of the song, as opposed to having to work hard and write their own hit.

77. reason - August 27, 2010

Barbara Streisand’s career over the past 20 years has been entirely comprised of successfully doing covers of her own work from the first 20 years.

78. Cathy - August 27, 2010

Hey Geoff, Best part of the story you shared here… “Mr Cole, who was wearing a bow tie and rather too much tweed for his age, would not reveal his country of origin. …Mr Cole was taken to a secure mental health facility in Geneva but later disappeared from his cell. Police are baffled, but not that bothered.”

The “rather too much tweed” made me snigger.

79. reason - August 27, 2010

That’s a trap, isn’t it, wiserbud?

You’re gonna get me all talking in detail about everything I know about DMB, and then once it’s obvious to everyone how big of a DMB fan I was in college, you’re gonna point and laugh, and then all the girls here are gonna point and laugh, and then you’re gonna give me a big dang wedgie. Aren’t ya?

No, DMB never did Watchtower as a studio-recorded single.

80. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

That’s a trap, isn’t it, wiserbud?

dammit.

uh… I mean…

No, reason, not at all. Please, tell us more….

81. reason - August 27, 2010

Also, rather than refute wiser, I think a more fun game would be to think of similar instances.

I can’t. But then again, the kinds of groups I used to listen two were the ones who usually only put out one or two albums anyway. I like it that way. TERM LIMITS.

82. reason - August 27, 2010

wiser, today would not be a good day to wedgie me. I ate an entire pint of raspberries last night.

Oof.

My underwear is not a happy place to be today.

83. BrewFan - August 27, 2010

Yeah, my mistake. Jackson wrote and recorded it, but the Eagles actually made it a hit.

I actually come down on your side in this argument. Superstars who release singles that cover the hit of somebody else is doing so because they are out of ideas and/or are broke. I don’t think it counts if a superstar releases a cover of a song that actually makes it a hit (a la the Eagles and Taking It Easy, James Taylor’s covers of Carol King songs, etc.).

84. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

>> If I’ve never heard of him, he doesn’t quite meet the level of superstar, does he?

Of all the stupid things you’ve said today, and they are legion, this is the one that cracks me up. “I never heard of him, so he isn’t big”.

Wiserford, I don’t know jack shit about NASCAR, but I hear it’s kinda big, even without my superbrain wrapped around that fact.

>> And every band does covers on their live albums.

This ties you for the second stupidest thing, you just shot your theory through the heart, and now it is laying there on the floor, looking up at you and saying “dude, what the fuck?”

>> I’m talking about those who specifically record and release a cover as a single, in an attempt to leech off the success of the song, as opposed to having to work hard and write their own hit.

Hahahahahaha.. oh, is THAT what you meant? Here, I’ll write your theory in English so people actually get your point:

“If you are doing a cover version of a previously popular song, you have reached the end of your ride and will most likely never have another hit again. Of course, I’m talking about those who specifically record and release a cover as a single, in an attempt to leech off the success of the song, as opposed to having to work hard and write their own hit.

fin

85. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Wiserford, I don’t know jack shit about NASCAR, but I hear it’s kinda big, even without my superbrain wrapped around that fact.

But you’ve heard of it, haven’t you?

Tell you what, I will ask wiserbride if she’s ever heard of Pat Caddell or whatever that guy’s name is and see if she’s heard of him. She’s a pretty good barometer of pop culture.

This ties you for the second stupidest thing, you just shot your theory through the heart, and now it is laying there on the floor, looking up at you and saying “dude, what the fuck?”

How? Do they specifically go into the studio and record these covers to release as hits or are they simply playing songs they may happen to like? And do they usually release those as singles or are they just another song on the live album?

Here, I’ll write your theory in English so people actually get your point:

Well, if your argument is that I didn’t completely spell out the what I was specifically try to say so that even the most dense reader would understand, without having to go into excruciating detail, then yes, you may be right.

Sorry if I didn’t make myself clear enough for you at the start.

86. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

My underwear is not a happy place to be today.

Ummmm…. thanks for the heads up. I’ll be sure to keep that in mind.

*ick*

87. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

I don’t think it counts if a superstar releases a cover of a song that actually makes it a hit

See? This is what is known as “refining” the theory.

I’m still waiting for DinT to actually refute it.

88. Pat Caddell - August 27, 2010

Oh yeah. She’s heard of me, IYKWIMAITYD.

*winks and shoots you with a finger-gun*

89. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

heh. Wiserbride just got home. I was describing our discussion and mentioned Pat Green.

She looked at me quizzically and said “Who?”

She and wiserdaughter are the only country music fans in the house. I’ll be sure to ask wiserdaughter (if she ever comes home again.)

I’m sure I will get the exact same response.

90. geoff - August 27, 2010

AS long as I’m linking O/T items, this rare post by Muslihoon (from a couple of days ago) is definitely worth a read. He’s got an interesting perspective on the GZ mosque.

91. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis.asp

Long but excellent analysis by Stephen Hayes re: The Tea Party movement.

92. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Also, rather than refute wiser, I think a more fun game would be to think of similar instances.

Dixie Chicks – Landslide

93. Dave in Texas - August 27, 2010

Heard of NASCAR? Yes, I have heard of NASCAR, I just don’t know the big artists.

In much the same way you have heard of country, but don’t know the big artists either.

See?

94. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

I’ve heard of Jeff Gordon. I’ve heard of Dale Earnhardt. I’ve even heard of Mark Martin.

Yet, I’ve never once watched a NASCAR race.

See what I’m saying?

95. Dave in Texas - August 27, 2010

Who are they? I don’t know them, so they can’t possibly be big or anything, because I don’t know them.

You know, now you’ve said what you actually meant, with like, words and stuff instead of telepathy or banging rocks together or however you were trying to do it before, I agree with you, releasing a cover as a single is sorta lame.

Good talk wiserbud. We should do this more often.

96. skinbad - August 27, 2010

That song Mayer does about little girls growing up to be lovers gives me the creeps.

Also, he’s kind of looking like the next mayor of Wasilla there.

I’m not sure where the goalposts ended up–some not terribly old covers from some fairly notable music acts:

Downtown Train/Stewart
Hard to Handle/Black Crowes
Helter Skelter/Aerosmith
Higher Ground/RH Chili Peppers
Hurt/Cash
Lucy in the Sky and Pinball Wizard/Elton John
So you want to be a rock and roll star/Petty

97. geoff - August 27, 2010

I’m forlorn – it looks like the time traveler story was an April Fool’s joke.

98. Michael - August 27, 2010

Wait a minute, didn’t DMB kinda tank after they did Watchtower?

I know Daughter Michael stopped thinking that they were the reason for living.

99. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Stewart is another one of those guys who made his career doing covers.

And Elton did LitS as a member of the cast for the movie Tommy.

Hard to Handle is a cover? Don’t think I’ve heard it before they did it. (Might fall under Brewfan’s refinement.)

What has RHCP done of any note since Higher Ground?

Or Johnny Cash? (Okay, he’s dead. And yeah, I don’t think that would have really hurt his career.)

Aerosmith? I kinda put them in the same category as the Stones. Besides, that was done on a compilation/box set. Which was mainly b-sides and unreleased material. Not sure it was meant to be released as a single originally.

Petty did a cover? Hmmmm…. Well, let’s see where his career goes from here. Too soon to tell if he either supports my theory or, by some fluke, actually avoids the curse.

🙂

100. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Wait a minute, didn’t DMB kinda tank after they did Watchtower?

They currently (or recently, anyway) have a top ten hit

101. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

I’ll tell you what breaks my heart. All those long sleepless nights, Pat Green layin in bed, saying to himself “if only Wiserbud had ever heard of me. Man, I coulda been somebody.”

if only

102. Michael - August 27, 2010

I don’t think it counts if a superstar releases a cover of a song that actually makes it a hit

I’ll buy that. Tina Turner totally owns “What’s Love Got To Do With It?” even though it’s a cover of an obscure British group.

103. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Good talk wiserbud. We should do this more often.

Proposed: Dick York was the best Darren.

104. Michael - August 27, 2010

Who are they? I don’t know them, so they can’t possibly be big or anything, because I don’t know them.

You never heard of Dale Earnhardt?

That’s like sayin’ you never heard of Elvis.

You’re just lying now, mister.

105. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

I’ll tell you what breaks my heart.

I’m sure Nana Mouskouri feels much the same way about you.

106. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

You’re just lying now, mister.

Typical liberal.

107. Michael - August 27, 2010

I actually got to see Dale Junior’s car up close at a company event (we are a sponsor). It’s fascinating to see how the driver’s cage is constructed like a brick shithouse to maximize his chances of survival in the event of a crash. It’s all highly engineered aluminum pipes around the driver.

The scary thing is that right next to the driver’s chair there was this big ole fat red pipe that said “Fuel.” I think that would make me nervous. Prolly why they all drive in fire-proof suits and sweat like pigs.

108. geoff - August 27, 2010

Who are they? I don’t know them, so they can’t possibly be big or anything, because I don’t know them.

That was my argument against Gabe’s claim that because he hadn’t heard of Neil Young, Neil Young’s worldwide war tour was a joke:

I think part of Young’s problem may have something to do with the fact that when I got this link I said, “Neil Who?” Apparently, he was hot stuff back in the days before television or something. Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young? Never heard of ’em.

I got into quite a brouhaha in the thread there, but Gabe and the other thread-muck never seemed to appreciate my (& Dave’s) point. Sigh.

109. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

It’s fascinating to see how the driver’s cage is constructed like a brick shithouse to maximize his chances of survival in the event of a crash.

That’s what amazed me when I saw the the crash that killed Dale. From what I saw, it looked like a pretty minor deal. Dale had been in accidents where the car flipped 3 or 4 times and that is what killed him?

110. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

Gabe doesn’t know shit if it’s more than 30 years old.

111. BrewFan - August 27, 2010

Proposed: Dick York was the best gayest (NTTAWWT) Darren.

FTFY

112. Michael - August 27, 2010

Gabe said that?

Gabe actually said he has not heard of CSN&Y?

The man is dead to me.

I can’t believe that I have actually gotten into thread-brawls defending him. I actually chased Bart away from H2 doing that.

And now, he turns out to be an untutored, ignorant poseur with no claim whatsoever to our attention.

I am shattered.

113. daveintexas - August 27, 2010

Which is funny, given his chosen profession. But it’s just his way of saying “your pop culture is old because you are”.

114. Michael - August 27, 2010

Gabe doesn’t know shit if it’s more than 30 years old.

He’s up-to-date on fashion, however.

I only happen to know that because he was wearing these red sneakers in CT a couple of years ago and I learned from Son Michael on the same trip that those were cool at the time.

115. Cathy - August 27, 2010

Only got one moronic thing to add to this discussion. Back when I lived in a Kansas City Missouri suburb, a neighbor a couple of blocks away invited us to use their pond on which to ice skate, and we did use it – thank you very much. They had a good looking son who would sometimes join us. He might have been in his late teens or early twenties. I dunno. I was just a kid.

Their son wrote Nowhere Man which was purchased from him and performed by the Beatles in the Sixties. They took full ownership of it.

Don’t be fooled, folks. Who the hell cares about all this cover shit?!~ We’ll never know who the real gifted artists are.

Money talks, just sayin’

116. Michael - August 27, 2010

But it’s just his way of saying “your pop culture is old because you are”.

Aw, c’mon, it’s just part of the adolescent process of unbonding with their parents and creating their own psyche. We did the same thing.

When I say “adolescent,” I mean anyone under the age of 28.

117. Cathy - August 27, 2010

When I say “adolescent,” I mean anyone under the age of 28.

Alles ist relativ!

Our kids are about that age.

118. Michael - August 27, 2010

Cathy fucked up her link. Good thing she’s making dinner, or she would be bugging me to fix it.

We’re having grilled pork chops. We’ve got the FIOS Classic R&B channel on the sound system. Life is good.

119. Michael - August 27, 2010

Hey, woman, you are supposed to be cooking!

120. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

We’ve got the FIOS Classic R&B channel on the sound system.

Do the play any Pat Green on that channel?

121. Michael - August 27, 2010

Do the play any Pat Green on that channel?

I never heard of Pat Green.

Pat Green is not Dale Earnhardt.

Wiser, I’m trying to help you in this debate with Dave. Try not to say stupid shit.

122. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Try not to say stupid shit.

……….

……….

……….

……….

Wow. This is gonna be harder than I thought it would be.

123. Russ from Winterset - August 27, 2010

Ronstadts cover of the Stones “Tumblin’ Dice” was quite a bit better than the original, IMHO.

I don’t even KNOW you anymore, man. That senseless bint’s cover of “Tumblin’ Dice” was better than the Jagger/Richards/Taylor classic? On what planet? That song, in it’s original version, is arguably the best song on one of the greatest albums of all time. Linda’s version might as well have been recorded in a truck stop bathroom by comparison.

And I would generally agree with wiser here on all these issues, with some exceptions:

1. Johnny Cash never did a cover song, per se. He simply took someone else’s song and made it his own. Sort of like what Aretha Franklin did to Otis Redding with “Respect”. (BTW, the Black Crowes version of “Hard to Handle” isn’t as good as Otis’ original version, but it ain’t bad.) Needless to say, Johnny Cash gets a pass on ALL covers. Because I said so. Get any of his late albums with Rick Rubin and you’ll see what I mean. He’s covering Marty Robbins (“Big Iron”), Bob Marley (“Redemption Song”, a duet with Joe Strummer from The Clash), Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds (“The Mercy Seat”), U2 (“One”) and even Glen Danzig (“Thirteen”). I can’t remember who originally recorded “Sea of Heartbreak”, but when I heard it on his second Rick Rubin album, I knew that whoever had written it years ago had done so hoping that Johnny Cash would cover it someday.

2. Van Halen’s first album was their best one. Top notch songs, and a DEEP bench. Name their other album that’s consistently as good from track #1 to the end. You can’t, can you?

3. There are some instances where a good band can do an understated version of a cover song and make it better than the original. Specifically, I’m thinking about The Cowboy Junkies covering “Sweet Jane” on their Trinity Sessions album. When bands try to overpower the original song and “take it to the next level”, they usually crash & burn.

4. Obvious cover bands, like Me First & the Gimme Gimmes and Dread Zeppelin get a pass, because their whole reason for being IS to do covers. Plus, they’re creative in how they twist the original tunes around & do the cover.

5. One album of nothing but covers that you should look into getting is “Paint it, Blue”, a compilation of Blues artists covering Rolling Stones tunes. Johnny Copeland’s version of “Tumbling Dice” (with his daughter Shemika wailin’ on backup, and Dan Baird and a couple of the other original Georgia Satellites backin’ him up) effing rocks. The whole disc is great, but that song really stands out, partly because Johnny died from heart failure just days after recording it.

124. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Proposed: Dick York was the best gayest (NTTAWWT) Darren.

You say “tomato”, I say “tomato.”

125. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Of course, no discussion of cover versions is complete without this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRmYfVCH2UA

126. Michael - August 27, 2010

When bands try to overpower the original song and “take it to the next level”, they usually crash & burn.

Sometimes, I get the impression that Russ is not your average Iowa inbred redneck. He actually thinks about stuff.

Russ, I think DMB’s version of Watchtower is such an attempt. They were trying to do something new with that chord progression, but avoid going over-the-top with a classic. I like it.

127. Michael - August 27, 2010

OK, Wiser, you just provoked me into posting the best cover ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrdtXxzhBWA&feature=player_embedded

Note the creative use of electrical tape.

128. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Note the creative use of electrical tape.

And they say drugs are bad for you.

129. Russ from Winterset - August 27, 2010

As usual, Michael is wrong. THIS is the best cover ever:

130. Russ from Winterset - August 27, 2010

That’s another rule I forgot to mention. All ska bands are exempted from the “cover song curse”. Mainly because ska bands amuse and entertain me.

131. Russ from Winterset - August 27, 2010

wiser also missed the fact that Sheryl Crowe is twice cursed: She contributed a cover version of G’nR’s “Sweet Child of Mine” to the “Big Daddy” soundtrack.

132. Michael - August 27, 2010

You know what?

The Classic R&B channel on FIOS is pretty good. I’ve been listening to this on the fake rocks in my yard.

[These are not your average mono fake rocks. Each is a stereo system with left and right channels aimed at 120°, and a woofer. There are four of them. They are served by their own amp and speaker control panel. Plus a cooling module and power control. You gotta think about how you position them so the sound bounces around good off fences and walls. The key thing here is to get the volume right on the one behind the nanner trees.]

It’s like a lot of cool funk and soul songs you enjoy, but you forgot about them because they are not really rock.

Laura would love this channel.

133. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

wiser also missed the fact that Sheryl Crowe is twice cursed: She contributed a cover version of G’nR’s “Sweet Child of Mine”

Which was an original by the eventually cursed G’n’R.

It’s like an onion.

134. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

It’s like a lot of cool funk and soul songs you enjoy, but you forgot about them because they are not really rock.

But they are 12 bar blues, right?

😉

135. Michael - August 27, 2010

But they are 12 bar blues, right?

Yes. I think I mentioned that this was R&B.

136. Russ from Winterset - August 27, 2010

The infamous “triple curse”? Or would you call it “triple curse with a cherry on top, because the first cover comes from a dude who turned into a sharia-lovin’ nutbar”?

137. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Yes. I think I mentioned that this was R&B.

Oh…..

Right……

*cough

138. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Or would you call it “triple curse with a cherry on top, because the first cover comes from a dude who turned into a sharia-lovin’ nutbar”?

This is getting too deep.

I’ll have to ask Dave.

139. Michael - August 27, 2010

When I say R&B, I mean, if you don’t stand up and shake your ass for awhile, you’re not still alive.

140. Michael - August 27, 2010

I’ll have to ask Dave.

Oh jeebers. You are on the highway to hell, mister.

141. Michael - August 27, 2010

I mean, Wiser, get the point. R&B is not Enya doing random chords and trying to sound spacey.

R&B has some discipline. It’s a genre with African roots.

Dude, I like you. I wish you would stop embarrassing yourself with your stupid comments.

142. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

Oh jeebers. You are on the highway to hell, mister.

Highway to Hell?

Hey, I know that song.

Wasn’t it first done by Diabetic Cheesecake Jefferson?

143. Michael - August 27, 2010

OK, maybe that sounded a little harsh.

I’m just sayin’, we all have The Hostages as a venue to say stupid shit. Let’s keep it that way.

144. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

I wish you would stop embarrassing yourself with your stupid comments.

Remind me…. how long have we known each other?

145. wiserbud - August 27, 2010

I wish you would stop embarrassing yourself with your stupid comments.

Seriously, I have spent years developing my own personal on-line style.

And now you want me to change?

I think not. Good day, sir. I SAID “GOOD DAY”!

Come on, Brew. Let’s you and me start our own “blog”-type thingy.

(By the way, I notice my name is not on the “Main Page Commenters” page. *scratches chin.* Hmmmmm……..)

146. Michael - August 28, 2010

Man, this R&B channel is great.

When was the last time you heard “Workin’ In The Coal Mines”?

Yeah, I can’t remember either.

147. wiserbud - August 28, 2010

When was the last time you heard “Workin’ In The Coal Mines”?

By Devo?

That was an awesome cover of that song.

148. Michael - August 28, 2010

(By the way, I notice my name is not on the “Main Page Commenters” page. *scratches chin.* Hmmmmm……..)

Oh fer cryin’ out loud. You are such a sensitive pussy. OK, now you are on the page.

I also deleted Compos, due to his absence.

149. wiserbud - August 28, 2010

Oh fer cryin’ out loud. You are such a sensitive pussy. OK, now you are on the page.

I. AM. SOMEBODY!!!

150. Michael - August 28, 2010

I probably should delete Kevlarchick from that page as well, due to inactivity.

But, you know, one time in a comment many years ago, KC referred to me as a “white hot crimefighting thug.”

So, I’m going to love her for the rest of my life.

151. Michael - August 28, 2010

The power supply for the amp serving my outdoor speakers is currently fluctuating erratically between 121 and 122 Volts.

This is annoying to me. I wish it would settle down.

152. wiserbud - August 28, 2010

But, you know, one time in a comment, KC referred to me as a “white hot crimefighting thug.”

You sure you read that right?

As far as I remember, she called you a “hot pink time-wasting fag.”

But I may be wrong.

153. wiserbud - August 28, 2010

The power supply for the amp serving my outdoor speakers is currently fluctuating erratically between 121 and 122 Volts.

trouble brewing…..

154. Michael - August 28, 2010

By Devo?

That was an awesome cover of that song.

After they did that cover, Devo faded as a pop phenomena.

(Still trying to help you, Wiser.)

155. wiserbud - August 28, 2010

After they did that cover, Devo faded as a pop phenomena.

Why, yes they did!

I really need to see about getting federal funding for more research into this theory of mine.

156. Michael - August 28, 2010

trouble brewing…..

Nope, it stabilized at 122.

The real issue is — why do I keep looking at it?

Probably because I did not go through the normal adolescent unbonding process with my opposite-sex parent.

Or maybe something else. I have issues with my older sister. It does not really matter. Jesus loves me.

157. wiserbud - August 28, 2010

wow, the spam filter is vicious here.

158. Pupster - August 28, 2010

159. Pupster - August 28, 2010

160. TXMarko - August 28, 2010

I don’t even KNOW you anymore, man. That senseless bint’s cover of “Tumblin’ Dice” was better than the Jagger/Richards/Taylor classic? On what planet? That song, in it’s original version, is arguably the best song on one of the greatest albums of all time. Linda’s version might as well have been recorded in a truck stop bathroom by comparison.

Oh, it is ON, Dude. “Senseless bint? On what planet? Truck stop bathroom?” *growl*

Russ, you seem to have it all reversed. The claptrap, banging pots and pans, wall of sound that defined the Stones Tumblin’ Dice recording does indeed sound like it was recorded in a truck stop mens room.

As far as what planet, Ronstadt would be preferred 1000 to 1 over Jagger on a planet where people have actual ears and eyes.

Unless of course you happen to have a man-crush on the flappy-lipped Jagger, and you pitch a tent hearing him ‘singing’ about ‘rolling’ you.

Just sayin. 😀

161. kevlarchick - August 28, 2010

>>>But, you know, one time in a comment many years ago, KC referred to me as a “white hot crimefighting thug.”

So, I’m going to love her for the rest of my life.<<<

Darling Michael, that is the best birthday present evah! Yes today is my birthday.

NOW YOU BOYS GET IN HERE AND CLEAN UP FROM ALL THAT DRUNK BLOGGING LAST NIGHT!

162. geoff - August 28, 2010

Happy Birthday, Kevl!

163. wiserbud - August 28, 2010

Happy b-bay, darlin’.

Sorry ’bout the shoes. IT WASN’T ME THIS TIME, I SWEAR!!!

164. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Happy birthday KC! You ought to celebrate by buying some really nice boots.

165. kevlarchick - August 28, 2010

I have some well broken in shit kickers already Enas. But those look hawt.

I should make Wiser buy them for me.

166. pajama momma - August 28, 2010

This is hysterical. I wish I’d seen the back and forth with wiser and dave yesterday. I could have used it.

167. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Am cleaning out my fridge. Urrk. I discovered some strange new life forms. I suspect some of it may even be sentient.

168. Cathy - August 28, 2010

Most disturbing aspect of this John Mayer guy.

169. Cathy - August 28, 2010

Happy Birthday, Kev.

What’s on the list today to celebrate?

170. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Huh. A furry, black bell pepper jumped out of the crisper and scurried under the couch. Darnedest thing I’ve ever seen.

171. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

To be fair Cathy, I think we were all a little scarred by Ace Ventura. Those were dark times.

172. Lipstick - August 28, 2010

Happy Birthday KC!

Mitchell, open the front door and see if it runs out. If so, problem solved.

173. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Too hot to have open door Lipstick. I think it’s building a nest and/or cocoon under there. This might be a problem.

174. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

If you ever get the urge to get a bottle of Miso Dijonnaise whilst shopping at the grocery store quietly strangle that urge and don’t pick it up. That stuff is nasty.

175. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

“Best before August 2009”. I think this dressing may not be particularly fresh.

176. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

This is a fun song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB8v07a7o3Q

Your mileage may vary though.

177. kevlarchick - August 28, 2010

I got a new light fixture in my kitchen for my birthday. Mr Kevlar is installing it and SO HAPPY about it!

Enas, get out your Roomba and tell it to get that creature.

178. Lipstick - August 28, 2010

“Best before August 2009″. I think this dressing may not be particularly fresh.

Ha! Sounds like my pantry/fridge pre-Mr. L. He has this thing about throwing away things that are years out of date. Picky picky.

179. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Woah, a NEW light fixture? Party on KC!

I’m gonna try shooing it away with a broomstick.

*Pokes furry bell pepper with stick*
*Stick gets yanked out of my hand*
*Noise like a buzz saw under couch*
*Shower of splinters from under couch*

Oh. Kay. Need a “Plan B”.

180. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Why do I have a jar of corn relish? I don’t even like corn relish. It’s like I have a someone who buys odd stuff, breaks into my house and puts it into my fridge. A reverse-burglar or something.

181. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

*Menacingly waves corn relish at furry bell pepper*

It doesn’t seem impressed.

182. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

I like olives, but I didn’t think I liked them this much. There are like a dozen jars of olives in here. I guess that’s the problem. I don’t like them as much as I think I do and never eat them. Is that crazy or what? Does anyone else have this problem?

183. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Dear Stonewall Kitchen:

You do not make very good salsa. Please stop torturing perfectly good tomatoes and spices into these jars and just get out of the salsa business entirely.

kthnxbai

184. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Anybody need any bbq sauce? I have enough to serve all the Tony Romas in the state over here. I guess I don’t like bbq sauce as much as I think I do either. Steak sauce too. I never use it, but I sure have plenty if I ever decide to.

185. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Oh, here come the pickles! Peter Piper picked a peck of pickles and packed them all in my fridge.

186. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

The active cultures in this yogurt have developed a civilization. Too bad it’s all about to end. Yogurt Armageddon!

187. Lipstick - August 28, 2010

Ha, Benny the Ferret bit my foot while I was standing at the sink with the sprayer in my hand. He is now wet and pissed off.

188. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Oh man I should NOT have just tasted that. Now I gotta go gargle some bleach.

Re: Benny T. Ferret – that’ll learn him!

189. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Just hit the Strategic Bacon Grease Reserves. What the hell am I going to do with all this stuff?

190. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

At the Pleistocene layer now – uncovered Ogg’s Mastodon McNuggets.

191. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

I put 100,000 miles on my garbage disposal today.

192. Cathy - August 28, 2010

I got a new light fixture in my kitchen for my birthday. Mr Kevlar is installing it and SO HAPPY about it!

*pictures KC sitting at kitchen table feasting her eyes on Mr. Kevlar’s cute butt during install*

193. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

My dishwasher is full. Now I have to do some by hand! NNNOOOOOOOOO!!

194. Cathy - August 28, 2010

Enas! GLAR!

*tears run down cheeks*
*cheeks ache from grinning *laughing *

Enas. Now go clean out fridge at work.

We want same kind of blow by blow. Please?

195. Cathy - August 28, 2010

Just hit the Strategic Bacon Grease Reserves. What the hell am I going to do with all this stuff?

Got Recipes!

196. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Oh good! I’m glad somebody was enjoying this. 🙂

The manager at the office as absolutely militant about fridge cleanliness so it doesn’t really have the same issues as mine. I let it get kinda bad, even for me. :-0

197. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Ha ha! Check out this lime juice – “Contains 100% Juice”, ingredients: water, high fructose corn syrup, concentrated lime juice, sodium metabisulfate, blue 1.

Understanding of “100%” fail.

198. kevlarchick - August 28, 2010

Cathy, heh, but no.
When he’s that cranky, I clear out of the room. He will be fine in a few hours.

The light looks good.

199. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Ewwwww. Just picked up something soft that didn’t used to be soft.

200. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Oh man I haven’t even hardly touched the freezer section yet. Strange things happen to stuff in there.

201. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Got mustard? Not if you live in Las Vegas! I have the entire city’s supply packed into the door racks in my fridge.

202. Pupster - August 28, 2010

When did Enas become Mitchell?

Did you get married?

203. Lipstick - August 28, 2010

Ewwwww. Just picked up something soft that didn’t used to be soft.

They have medication for that nowadays. It comes in a little blue pill form. . .

204. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

^^Ha!

I got tired of Enas Yorl Pups so I changed.

205. Pupster - August 28, 2010

Like the butterfly from the pupa. I can dig it brothah.

206. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Huh. Just found pork tamales in the freezer. I have no idea where they came from. I’m gonna nuke one and see if it’s still any good. Anyone care to place a wager?

207. Lipstick - August 28, 2010

mmmm, freezer burn is tasty!

208. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Verdict: edible, but only marginally so. Not worth it. So, that fills the second garbage bag today. The fridge is so empty! I should probably move on to the pantry closet. That thing is packed with stuff I’ll never use.

209. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Found frozen fried fish. The freezer burn has a strange, alien beauty to it.

210. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Well the freezer turned out to be not too bad. And now I have another refrigerator on the way! It’s going out in the garage. I guess I better go make some space for it.

211. TXMarko - August 28, 2010

Bartender, I’ll have two of whatever Mitchell/Enas is having….

212. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

New fridge is here. I bought it from a friend who is going through some hard financial times. Smells a bit funny though. Anybody know a good way to get rid of that?

213. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Well hello there TXMarko! *Pours highball glass with some of not-quite 100% lime juice, adds a shot from a bottle where the label fell off in 1996 and garnishes it with a 100 year old olive and slides it over.*

Down the hatch!

214. Cathy - August 28, 2010

Smells a bit funny though. Anybody know a good way to get rid of that?

If it appears to be clean and you have tried to clean it, then try ground coffee.

Take an old (CLEAN) sock and scoop a couple of cups of ground coffee into the sock. Knot the sock and pitch it in your fridge. Works in the freezer too. You could take a pair of socks and do that. Holes in the socks would not be a good thing, so maybe just buy a cheap pair of nylon socks at Wal-mart. Shouldn’t have to cost you more than a buck.

OTH that smell might just go away on it’s own once you get the temperature below 40 degrees F.

215. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Please summer, just go away already. I am SO sick of sweating. It’s hot AND windy out there. Like God left His blow-dryer on.

216. Cathy - August 28, 2010

Wal-mart. Go the the women’s underwear section and buy a pair of ‘opaque knee-high slack socks’ which come in brown, beige, black, white, etc. They are sturdier than knee-high stockings but not as bulky as men’s socks.

217. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Ok off to the store for some Potent Potables. Thinking of vodka and vodka related mixers.

Thanks Cathy! My friend cleaned it up pretty well, but I’ll see how it is when it cools down.

218. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

BTW, check these out y’all: Copper Tumblers

Aren’t those gorgeous? WANT!

219. Pupster - August 28, 2010

Pfft. Like you’ve got to describe woman’s clothes to Mitchell.

220. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

I am now armed with Smirnoff vodka and grapefruit juice – Salty Dog time!

Aww yeah, it’s gonna get weird now folks.

I’m all dressed up and ready to party!

221. Michael - August 28, 2010

Who told Enas that he can own our threads?

*Michael gives Dave the stink-eye*

222. Michael - August 28, 2010

And by the way, who told Enas that he has permission to change his name?

Fuck that “Mitchell” shit. He’s Enas to me, and he’s going to stay Enas.

You think you can just turn my world upside down like that?

No way.

223. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Nobody did Michael. I just seized the initiative. I’m a siezer.

224. Michael - August 28, 2010

The refrigerator saga has been hilarious, by the way.

Thanks, ENAS.

225. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

It’s ok, you can call me whatever you’re most comfortable with Michael. Oh, and I just bought those tumblers. I am evaluating possible Christmas presents. Ooo – maybe I can do a theme: all presents will be copper-related!

226. Michael - August 28, 2010

I’m a siezer.

I have a pretty good idea of what you are seizing most of the time, and we don’t want to hear about it.

227. Michael - August 28, 2010

Oh, and I just bought those tumblers. I am evaluating possible Christmas presents.

*Michael’s head snaps around, causing whiplash*

Dude, am I on your Christmas list?

Cuz, you know I really love you.

228. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Cathy, yes. You, no.
😀

The refrigerator saga has been hilarious, by the way.

Glad you enjoyed it!

229. Lipstick - August 28, 2010

Please summer, just go away already. I am SO sick of sweating. It’s hot AND windy out there. Like God left His blow-dryer on.

What IS it with the wind here? Drives me crazy.

Isn’t vodka and grapefruit a greyhound? Before commenting I should look things up. BRB.

230. Lipstick - August 28, 2010

Those tumblers look really nice.

And a salty dog seems to be vodka, grapefruit juice and salt. I loves me some salt, but not in drinks.

So, speaking of birthdays, a question: at what age does a person become “a woman of a certain age”?

231. Lipstick - August 28, 2010

Cause I think I’m there.

232. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Bam! Yes, you’re right Lipstick! It’s a Salty Dog only if it has salt around the rim, and I’m not doing that, so Greyhound it is.

This just in: vodka and cranberry juice is also very tasty. Pass it on.

233. Lipstick - August 28, 2010

Hey, Mitchell is the only one of you all to have met Mr Lipstick in person.

Mr. L is an elusive dude.

234. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Ah, but I am eating Fritos, which are salty. Would this maybe make it a Chihuahua?

I can’t answer that question. I’m not familiar with that phrase.

235. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Mr. L is an elusive dude.

Yah, what’s up with that? I meant to ask if he gets into the blog stuff like you do, but I forgot.

236. Michael - August 28, 2010

So, speaking of birthdays, a question: at what age does a person become “a woman of a certain age”?

That’s about three years older than you.

You are still what we would call . . .

*thinks this over*

. . . hot meat.

237. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Now I have a problem. I am hungry, but I have nothing in the fridge since I threw it all away. I’m feeling the Chihuahuas I had so driving for food is a strict no-no. Hmmm.

238. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Ah, I found a jar of recently purchased Pace salsa and some tortilla chips. There is also a rich vein of cheese from Whole Foods to go with. Staved off starvation for a while longer.

239. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Ehhhh, my xbox live membership is up again. I really should just get rid of the whole thing. I never play it. I didn’t grow up with that style of controller so it’s always been awkward for me. Also I’m old now and it’s hard on the thumbs.

240. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Ha ha – Paris Hilton got busted for cocaine here in Vegas this weekend. Nevada has surprisingly harsh drug laws. But she has deep pockets and will probably get probation. I predict a Paris Hiltonless future for Vegas for the next few years.

241. wiserbud - August 28, 2010

Ah, I found a jar of recently purchased Pace salsa

NEW YORK??!?!!??

242. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

Get a rope!

Pace is actually the one based in Texas. Supposedly. It was once. Who knows anymore – it’s owned by Campbell’s Soups now.

I actually prefer Rojo’s medium-heat salsa. It’s a local-ish brand I think. There’s a distinct difference between national jar salsas and the “fresh” versions in plastic containers. The jar stuff is more tomato paste based and the “fresh” versions are more “chopped veggies”. They both have their charms so I try to keep both on stock.

243. Michael - August 28, 2010

Pace Picante Sauce is legendary down here in Texas. They really focus on fresh tomatoes, onions, and picante peppers. The company was started by a white boy in San Antonio 60 years ago. I checked their website. They buy over 25 million pounds of hand-picked picante peppers each year, from all over the U.S. south and Mexico.

244. Michael - August 28, 2010

And, by they way, contrary to what Enas said, the “fresh” versions of salsa are the only ones worth eating on top of your eggs at breakfast, which is the normal way to eat eggs in Texas.

245. Michael - August 28, 2010

Of course, if you are a true gourmand, you would forgo the Pace Picante Sauce and opt to have your breakfast eggs with Marie Sharps Belizean Hot Sauce, but that is another story.

246. Michael - August 28, 2010

I remember reading 5 or more years ago that sales of salsa in America had exceeded sales of ketchup (or “catsup”, if you are gay).

Is this a great country?

Fuck Yeah!

We get some things right, if you give us some time.

247. Mitchell - August 28, 2010

^^How is that “contrary” to what I said? I didn’t even mention eggs! Salsa and eggs is good though. One of my favorite breakfast is fried eggs with chopped green onions, a side of ham, refried beans, a chuck of cheese and salsa heated up in the egg fry pan and dumped over the eggs and beans. That’s GOOD eatings.

I’ve never had the Marie Sharps. I’ll put it in my Amazon.com basket and add it on to my next order.

248. Michael - August 29, 2010

How is that “contrary” to what I said? I didn’t even mention eggs!

You mentioned the non-fresh version of salsa. Don’t expect to have any credibility after that.

I’ve never had the Marie Sharps. I’ll put it in my Amazon.com basket and add it on to my next order.

You’re like a dead man to me now. You just don’t matter. Check my blogroll. There is a link where you can order directly from Marie in Belize. I’ve been to Belize. It’s sorta a staple item down there. On a normal table, there is salt, pepper, and Marie Sharp’s Hot Sauce.

249. Michael - August 29, 2010

I think Geoff will vouch for me about Marie Sharp’s Hot Sauce. I turned him on to this stuff. I believe the sauce is what stimulated him to create The Chart.

Geoff?

Geoff?!?

250. Mitchell - August 29, 2010

Yeah, well I do draw a line between something that can sit in a jar on a shelf for several years and something that is sold in plastic tubs that have an expiration date a few weeks from the date I bought it. Hence “Fresh”. Stop picking fights where there aren’t any.

*Looks at Marie Sharps link*

I don’t want to use Paypal. Amazon is just as good.

251. Michael - August 29, 2010

Seriously, Geoff became an internet rock star because of me.

Why?

I’ll tell you why. I posted about Marie Sharp’s Hot Sauce, and Geoff got hooked on the stuff. He has admitted it. He’s a Marie Sharp’s junkie.

Then, Geoff produced The Chart.

Then, the Tea Party movement started. The Chart went viral, and people started to rebel against a federal government that was ignoring its constitutional limitations.

Coincidence?

I think not. I think The Chart happened because Geoff’s brain was addled by capsaicin.

It’s all about me. That’s my theory, and I’m sticking to it.

252. Cathy - August 29, 2010

Geoff gets his Marie Sharp’s right in his home town at a specialty shop that stocks scads of hot sauces. Last time I visited Daughter Michael, I shopped there and stocked up for us because Geoff recommended the place. It ended up being cheaper than ordering it and paying the postage.

253. Cathy - August 29, 2010

Not gonna argue with that theory.

Yep. All about Michael

254. Mitchell - August 29, 2010

^Michael has been hitting the Chihuahuas pretty hard^

Just politely pity and excuse him y’all.

255. Michael - August 29, 2010

So, let’s just get right down to the bottom line.

If you eat some eggs in the morning, and you don’t at least put some Pace Picante Sauce on them, you are a loser.

If you want to be a winner, you will splash some Marie Sharp’s Hot Sauce on those eggs.

256. Michael - August 29, 2010

Just politely pity and excuse him y’all.

Enas, in real life, I have only known one person named Mitchell.

He was a gay communist.

Just sayin’.

257. Lipstick - August 29, 2010

Eggs are gross. They stink up the house when their being cooked.

Crispy bacon and an English muffin is the way to go.

258. Lipstick - August 29, 2010

Crap, when “they’re” being cooked.

259. Mitchell - August 29, 2010

As a freedom loving American, I reserve the 1st Amendment Right to have eggs with or without salsa regardless of brand.

Stop being such an evil, hitler-loving fascist/nazi about this hot-sauce Micheal. Your the venturing int joseph goebbels territory here.

260. Mitchell - August 29, 2010

Ha ha! We’re both hitting the Chihuahuas hard now Lipstick. ^”Your” = “You’re”, & “int” = “into”

261. Michael - August 29, 2010

As a freedom loving American, I reserve the 1st Amendment Right to have eggs with or without salsa regardless of brand.

The Constitution does not actually say that, any more than it gives you the right to an abortion.

I have actually read the Constitution.

262. Michael - August 29, 2010

What I’m saying is: under the current interpretation of the Commerce Clause, you can be made to eat your salsa on your eggs, and you will like it.

263. Lipstick - August 29, 2010

Ha ha! We’re both hitting the Chihuahuas hard now Lipstick. ^”Your” = “You’re”, & “int” = “into”

Well, speak for yourself there Mitchell.

(hic)

🙂

264. Lipstick - August 29, 2010

I’m serfectly pober.

265. Michael - August 29, 2010

I’m pober too.

I think Enas is wasted.

266. Mitchell - August 29, 2010

Planned Parenthood and I reserve the right to abort salmonella tainted eggs. At taxpayer expense.

*Sticks Michael with expense*

267. Lipstick - August 29, 2010

Michael, you’re up late. Are there any fish still alive?

268. geoff - August 29, 2010

Seriously, Geoff became an internet rock star because of me.

It’s true. And Marie Sharp’s totally rocks. When Pupster visited, we went up to Boulder and got some more.

269. Michael - August 29, 2010

Are there any fish still alive?

A couple.

But another one got eaten on the patio tank by something. The dogs were barking, and then a fish was missing. Probably a racoon or something. You just can’t protect them here. I think LauraW’s idea of using fast, cheap little bait minnows is a good one.

270. Michael - August 29, 2010

I mean, the goldfish only cost about 25 cents apiece, but the attrition rate has made them a bad investment.

271. Pupster - August 29, 2010

Michael has been hitting the Chihuahuas pretty hard

Sicko.

272. Retired Geezer - August 29, 2010

Wal-mart. Go the the women’s underwear section and buy a pair of ‘opaque knee-high slack socks’ which come in brown, beige, black, white, etc. They

I see Michael is posting on Cathy’s account again.

273. dan-O - August 30, 2010

I’m kind of late to the party, but here are some examples of popular-then, and popular-now bands who do covers from time to time. It did not mark the end of their careers by any means:

Alison Krauss:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alison_Krauss_discography

Lyle Lovett:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Step_Inside_This_House

U2:

These are just off the top of my head. I don’t think the cover-song-as-career-ender-theory works out.

274. Retired Geezer - August 30, 2010

Allison Krauss = Voice like an Angel

This is not debatable.

275. pajama momma - August 30, 2010

Allison Krauss sings thru her nose.
way too nasal

*runs like hell from geezer

276. Retired Geezer - August 31, 2010

Nasal = Tom Petty

Allison = Pure bell-shaped tones

277. wiserbud - August 31, 2010

Allison Krauss = Voice like an Angel

who?

278. daveintexas - August 31, 2010

that’s my boy!

279. Cathy - August 31, 2010

^ Did we just witness Dave & Wiser come together?

280. Dave in Texas - August 31, 2010

No.

281. Mitchell - August 31, 2010

Ha! Dave & Wiserbud sitting in a tree
K
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282. daveintexas - August 31, 2010

Hey, my buddy George, the rhythm guitarist in old band, having a brain tumor removed in the morning. The prognosis (do they do those before operating?) or whatever is good, but a prayer is always welcome.

283. BrewFan - August 31, 2010

George has been prayed for.

284. Cathy - August 31, 2010

…but a prayer is always welcome

You got it!

285. Cathy - August 31, 2010

…but a prayer is always welcome

You got it!

I’m including here a link to an article a friend back in Ohio sent. Her husband, also a friend, was a co-worker of the gal in the article. I hope it helps combat the notion that God no longer changes lives with His miracles & intervention anymore.

Prayer works!

286. daveintexas - August 31, 2010

thanks!

287. TXMarko - August 31, 2010

Prayers headed Georges’ way, DiT…..

288. Michael - August 31, 2010

Done.

289. Michael - August 31, 2010

Prayers headed Georges’ way, DiT…..

Just a technicality, but you probably should pray to God instead of George.

🙂

290. Cathy - August 31, 2010

…but you probably should…

I like when advice is solicited, just sayin’


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