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The Sexual Assault Problem on College Campuses July 29, 2014

Posted by geoff in News.
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This isn’t a super-thorough debunking of the “1 in 5 women” statistic, but it’ll do:

The oft-cited statistic that “one in five women is sexually assaulted by the end of her college career” has become a battle cry for those pushing for strict and severe sexual assault campus policies.

The statistic that 20 percent of all coeds will be sexually assaulted or raped before they leave college was taken from a 2007 study conducted by the Justice Department, and it paints a truly horrifying picture.

The problem is, the statistic is flimsy and unsubstantiated at best – and maliciously manipulated as a means to an end at worst.

But let’s assume that it’s true for a moment. And let’s assume that the feminist mantra that “all men are potential rapists” is also true.

So doesn’t that mean we should go back to single-sex campuses or at least single-sex dormitories? Isn’t that the logical first step one would take to stop this epidemic of sexual assault?

Seems kind of obvious that putting healthy young horndogs in close proximity with nubile coeds, combined with instructing them that premarital sex is nothing special, would naturally lead to a lot of misunderstandings (at best) and stepping over the line (or even worse). The reason we used to never set up this situation was because we didn’t think it would work out. But the women’s rights movement insisted that not permitting women to be in the same school or same dormitory constituted discrimination, to the point where The Catholic University had to go to court 3 years ago to defend reinstating same-sex dormitories.

I think feminists are responsible for a great portion of their (exaggerated) complaints.

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1. lauraw - July 29, 2014

I believe the 1 in 5 stat only because sexual assault has been defined too loosely and includes unwanted verbal advances.

Basically, I think a lot of young ladies think that sexual assault is when an ugly guy flirts with them.

2. geoff - July 29, 2014

I agree. I’m just saying that if that stat was true, it seems like the women who were so threatened would have another tactic for protecting themselves, like going to a school without all these potential rapists running around.

If you really believe that every college is populated with potential rapists, asking the potential rapists to change their evil ways seems like the least likely avenue for success.

3. Neo - July 30, 2014

The real problem with college, in genreal, is that all the educated students keep leaving.

4. lauraw - July 30, 2014

*mind blown*

5. Cathy - July 31, 2014

This is gonna sound cold and harsh, but given the 1 in 5 statistic (20%) is accurate, colleges and universities are ‘SAFER’ than living with a man.

FOR MANY YEARS studies have shown that 1 in 4 women (25%) are battered by live-in boyfriends or husbands. And from what I’ve been involved with in my previous work — this is a credible number. Sorry!

I’m not whining. I don’t know what to believe about the campus stuff, but I do know that there are lots of gals out there who are stupid about how they behave, dress, and communicate. And those same gals are also ready, willing and able to ‘blame’ a man for their own poor conduct.

Fin.

6. geoff - July 31, 2014

Went to look up that 1 in 4 stat, and ran across this line:

“One woman is beaten by her husband or partner every 15 seconds in the United States. (Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1991).”

That poor woman.

7. Cathy - July 31, 2014

Ok. Geoff just proved to me he is colder than I am.

8. Cathy - July 31, 2014

Sorry… *still giggling*

9. classydorms - August 1, 2014

Cathy you are blaming the victims .? You were really sheltered as a for the most time housewife sadly rape is not something any female asks or deserves it is not because of how one dresses and etc.
On the topic of the subject about rape ( college campus rapes to be more precise,) In the your words : verbatim )You in your words “I do not want to sound cold and or harsh. I ’m not whining. I don’t know what to believe about the campus stuff, but I do know that there are lots of gals out there who are stupid about how they behave, dress, and communicate. And those same gals are also ready, willing and able to ‘blame’ a man for their own poor conduct. ”

Lets not blame the poor man the rapist I mean she had it coming that sexy dress oh she smiled at me. Oh those eye lashes were batting at me .
In my words by saying that you do not want to sound cold and or harsh this is exactly what this sounds. Your not part of the solution but the problem of how rape is dealt with. Every two minutes a woman is raped in the US alone.
I at first did not respond on the innocent bystanders site which I can not understand and even condone , support or understand your reasoning or therefore lack of it with regards to RAPE.
Guess what ( RAPE ) is not an act of sex but of violence .
Rape does not happen because of how one dresses please !!!
Get out of the dark ages.
RAPE ruins lives and shatters hearts. Long after the rape is over the damage remains .(
When a woman does not have sympathy, compassion or even empathy for other women who are victims of one of the most demeaning, degrading and vile acts called RAPE it blows my mind . Saddens , shocks and dismays me.
When a woman blames another woman as if she is getting what she deserves I CRINGE capital ( C).
there are no words to describe how I feel with regards.
Even if men blame women that is bad but for a woman to blame other women to me is far worse this is just SHOCKING!
What to suggest “You dressed a certain way so you got what was coming? ” Oh well maybe
you were a little flirtatious . so you asked for it.
RAPE is again an act of violence more then of sexual nature. A violation
of the worst kind. Meant to degrade , demean , humiliate and control the victim to feeling helpless and powerless.
Men are physically stronger and when a man or men pin a woman down what chance does she have to fight off her perpetrators .
Some women who fight back only get hurt more and some women even get murdered by their rapists.
NO means NO what part of No does the Rapist not get!!!!
I do not blame women but a system that is flawed especially on college campuses across the USA,” Colleges”, needs to be far tougher on their stance on rape and laws that need to change. It is a known fact that many colleges protect
boys for years in my opinion this narrow minded mindset is part of the problem and not the solution. I can not stress this ENOUGH. Blame the ones raped and not the sick rapists.( WHAT?!)
( Talk about blaming the rape victim and not the rapist ) Then claim to be a Christian to? roll my eyes . )
Geez ” Rape” is this it is an act of violence and to me too many men sadly get away with it on college campuses many times boys who are ( jocks) and ( in fraternities) with rape because of who they are it is swept under the carpet so to speak.
Do not need their star boys behind bars do we?!!!
These ( college boys ) get away with one of the most heinous of crimes against a female ( RAPE) and carte blanche a green light to rape and get away with rape because of power and privilege.
Blaming girls for the way they ( dress ) irks me because ( rape ) is an act of violence and control.
For many years college girls and women were in fear of speaking and coming forward and even reporting rapes because of the stigma associated with this most horrendous act the victims were victimized and raped again and again in the courts )
Even wife’s, girlfriends can be raped. So how a woman dresses or acts provokes the rapist . So when a man rapes a nun he is turned on by her dress Do not get me started. Rape is Violence and an act of violence
look this to me is backward in thinking and almost sympathizing with the rapist .
. There is a reason my soul, my heart could never gravitate to any person who has such a spirit to make light of rape in any fashion or form. What about the rapist in this., Anyone that knows me would know my compassion and empathy for others. ( Rape is about control VIOLENCE ) rape is an act of the worst imaginable kind of Violence to . This is it for many years women were blamed , shamed and shunned as if they asked for it by dressing a certain way. Lets remember the movie that Jodie Foster played the role of the woman who was raped at a bar gang raped based on a true story, She did a great performance in this role that made you see what rape is VIOLENCE.. Such events express truth in the court system about rape cases. It teaches audiences that it’s difficult to convict rapists, even with a lot of evidence. The emotional stance of the film is true. Men have raped nuns , children and prostitutes.
Rape ruins lives. I have an issue with rape. I have some friends who are very ( GOOD ) life coaches s who counsel rape victims . Some people are not cut out to be counselors and their careers are short lived as a result. Some would do more harm as counselor then good or help.In fact someone would need therapy to get over therapy by the wrong kind of counseling . My Friend Daniella who is a good life coach a Bev Hills surgeons daughter was raped and does rape counseling . I am a rape survivor to . Go to these sessions and hear what women go through every two minutes stats are a woman is raped.

10. classydorms - August 1, 2014

But on the subject of domestic abuse which I abhor and am against as much as rape. I would open my heart to any female who has been victimized by domestic abuse, physical , emotional and financial for domestic abusers are not much different then rapists . They do it all in the name and need for control . I can’t be against domestic abuse and suggest a female also asked to be raped . I am an advocate for fellow females. I will stand up and fight , defend any female period. ( Rape or Domestic abuse victim) .

11. classydorms - August 1, 2014

Yes the poor women who are beaten by husbands and also the poor women who are raped . As far as I see it each is a crime and each of these crimes are just this CRIMES. Lets speak of the poor women who are VICTIMS and pray for this madness against women worldwide to stop.

12. classydorms - August 1, 2014

The Cleveland Rape Crisis Center is dedicated to serving survivors of sexual … 1 in 4 college women will be the victim of sexual assault during her academic career. …

13. classydorms - August 1, 2014

I am done and I do not think either ( rape) or ( domestic abuse ) or to be remotely joked about in any fashion or form. Because the effects live on long after the event or events occurred.

14. geoff - August 1, 2014

Classydorms, stand down from alert. Cathy never meant to “blame the victim,” she was just speculating that if the college sexual assault statistics are inflated (which it is very likely that they are), then those characteristics of some women might be a reason why.

Otherwise she’s already explained that she’s at least as opposed to sexual assault as you are.

15. classydorms - August 1, 2014

Excuse me geoff but in Cathys word verbatim sounds like blaming the female here copied and pasted,.
from Cathy: I’m not whining. I don’t know what to believe about the campus stuff, but I do know that there are lots of gals out there who are stupid about how they behave, dress, and communicate. And those same gals are also ready, willing and able to ‘blame’ a man for their own poor conduct.

Fin.

16. classydorms - August 1, 2014

Saying there are lots of gals out there who are stupid about how they behave, dress and communicate . And those same gals are also ready , willing and able to “blame ” a man for their own conduct what the heck does this suggest or mean sounds like blaming the female.

17. classydorms - August 1, 2014

Let us remember this: Women will……Republican Lawmaker Apologizes For Saying Men Should Be Able To Rape Women If Abortion Is Legal. Who even says this his excuse this was a long time ago.

18. classydorms - August 1, 2014

He also went further with regards to rape I think it was lockmant isn’t *just* that he said rape should be legal if abortion is, as completely disgusting as that is. That seems to be something he said for shock value, though that is NO excuse or mitigating factor. But it’s also that he referred to the act of rape, the crime of rape, as “sexual freedom.” I do not get some republicans war on women and hypocrisy at times. Women voters will not forget.

19. geoff - August 1, 2014

Go back to the subject: “what to believe about the campus stuff” refers to whether or not the campus sexual abuse stats are inflated. When you’ve moved the definition of sexual assault from clearcut physical assault to “maybe she didn’t consent frequently enough” then behavior, dress, and communication definitely can play a role in whether a woman is perceived as consenting.

Nobody is saying that a violent sexual assault was deserved by the victim. We’re not even talking about violent sexual assault. We’re talking about the gray areas created by the new and hopelessly unrealistic standards for sexual assault.

20. geoff - August 1, 2014

Republican Lawmaker Apologizes For Saying Men Should Be Able To Rape Women If Abortion Is Legal

There are certainly idiots on both sides of the aisle, but picking on some 20-year-old hyperbolic argument from a state-level representative isn’t really pertinent to the discussion. He was making the point that if murder (i.e., abortion) was legal, why wasn’t rape legal? It was a reductio ad absurdum argument that the liberal press took as a serious policy proposal. Idiots. Not to mention that he apologized and retracted his statement. And not to mention that he wasn’t even an elected official when he said it. And the “sexual freedom” phrase was meant to parallel the claim that women’s bodies should be free of outside interference, even up to the point of committing murder.

Honestly, some minor player’s ugly metaphor from two decades ago is a pretty silly example of the mythical war on women. You should have picked on that Akin dork from Missouri – at least he’s a contemporary GOP idiot.

21. geoff - August 1, 2014

CD, I unapproved your last comment because it includes some information that I believe wasn’t meant to be published in a public forum. You might check with Michael to see if he wants to approve it.

But to answer part of that unpublished comment – blaming all sexual assaults on the man’s behavior is currently the baseline in college policy. You don’t need to worry about whether men are shouldering enough blame – we’re shouldering all of it. It’s not fair, and there’s a small but growing backlash against that policy (about to be undermined by Rubio’s legislation), but that’s the way it is.

22. lauraw - August 1, 2014

Women absolutely do stupid things that lead to their rape! Young, naive women do very stupid things indeed. They trust strangers too much, and they don’t have the critical thinking and experience to really evaluate situations very well.

If you can prevent a crime from happening to you by altering your behavior, you should use your common sense and do it.

Like: A woman should not allow herself to get pass-out drunk with a bunch of males who really are strangers to her. This happens at colleges all the time. Yes, it is still the man’s fault for raping her. Yes, it is still a crime and the abuser should be punished. But she had the first and best opportunity to prevent the crime, just by using her head.

I think there is just a bit too much kneejerk sensitivity to asking women to think about safety and behave as if they a responsibility for their own safety.

For heavens’ sake, we even teach little children not to trust strangers, and we would be remiss not to. That doesn’t mean anybody thinks kids are ‘asking for it’ if they make a mistake!

A woman’s safety is not the responsibility of anyone else around her. It is her own. Distrusting strangers- and even new friends, for a good long while- is very wise behavior.

In very few areas of life do we ever put ourselves in totally helpless situations where people are supposed to act on their honor, because we know that some people do not have any.

Yet, when it comes to preventing rape, some women act as if basic forethought for their safety is some kind of huge social limitation or burden put on them, or worse ‘blaming’ them for rape.

I am not ‘blaming the victim.’ I am, however, making the statement that it is a terrible mistake for women to walk around assuming that the world is safe. It is not. If you don’t walk around with hundred-dollar bills taped on the back of your shirt, you also shouldn’t walk around assuming that men are all angels, or risk putting yourself in a position to be preyed upon by the devils.

The world is not safe. Act accordingly, and don’t blame the world for being shitty. It’s probably better and safer than it has ever been; but it will never be perfect.

I feel badly that Cathy had to read all those false accusations on her character and long-winded dissertation on things everybody already knows. She is a fine lady who has devoted her life to helping others. Just ridiculous, really.

23. geoff - August 1, 2014

Guess what ( RAPE ) is not an act of sex but of violence .

I first heard this 30 years ago in high school, when our health class had a unit on rape. It was a revelation to me at the time, and I took it as gospel until a couple of weeks ago, when I read about Rhode Island.

In 2003, Rhode Island unintentionally decriminalized indoor prostitution.

The authors found evidence that, after decriminaliztion, the size of the indoor sex market increased — as expected — and prices commensurately fell.

More surprising was the finding that forcible rape offenses fell by 31 percent in Rhode Island from 2004 to 2009, as decriminalized indoor sex work scaled up in the state. This translates to 824 fewer reported rapes. The majority of the reduction in rapes came from Providence, where the state’s sex work is concentrated.

Seems like there might be a sexual component to some forcible rapes.

24. lauraw - August 1, 2014

There is some evidence to suggest that some rapes are indeed crimes of opportunity that are sexual in nature. For example, unplanned rapes that occur during a planned criminal act such as robbery.

In other words, the rapist may not have the precise sick pathology of wanting to do violence to women in particular. But he is a ruthless criminal, and an opportunist. He has the same amount of concern for others in regard to raping them as a thief has for his robbery victims: none.

Other people are a means to his ends, just consumables. He doesn’t have to hate them to do violence to them. He uses violence as a tool, to take things from other people that he wants.

It is certainly adversarial and heartless behavior, but not what we think of as the kind of man who has an ax to grind or who truly despises women.

25. classydorms - August 1, 2014

I am sorry but rape is never to be taken lightly period.

26. Michael - August 1, 2014

Of course there is a sexual component to rape; it is not just violence. That’s why it is universally regarded as such a perverse and harmful type of assault. Nobody contends that rape is comparable to getting an ordinary beating.

Conversely, there can be an aggressive component to anything. It’s generally understood that comedy is often a form of aggression, or emotional violence, for the comedian (even apart from obvious examples like sarcasm). The consequences of malicious comedy can be devastating.

And even the most consensual and loving sex probably has an aggressive component as well. I doubt that we will ever get close to untangling the relationship between sex and aggression. The blood chemistry, neurology and individual emotional histories involved are too complicated. All we know for sure is that (1) something is way out of whack if a rape occurs,(2) the offenders need to be severely punished and deterred, and as Laura says (3) young women need to be taught to accept responsibility for taking the sort of common sense precautions we all have to employ in order to deal with the hazards of life.

After all, I should not really have to pay for locks on my house, or be inconvenienced by having to use them. But I do, and would be considered foolish not to.

27. lauraw - August 1, 2014

Wow.

28. Sobek - August 1, 2014

Laura wrote most of what I was thinking. The only thing she left out was the sentence “deserve’s got nothing to do with it.”

No woman (or girl), regardless of her behavior, deserves to get raped. But that’s not the point. What Cathy said was “…there are lots of gals out there who are stupid about how they behave, dress, and communicate.” This is an absolutely true statement. And it does not say, or imply to any rational reader, that a woman who does something stupid is asking to be victimized.

29. Retired Geezer - August 1, 2014

What Laura and Sobek said.

30. daveintexas - August 6, 2014

>> I am sorry but rape is never to be taken lightly period.

I will take word rape so lightly I will laugh at it and make faces.


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