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Where to Move, Part 2 November 21, 2020

Posted by geoff in News.

Yesterday I promised a plot of economic freedom vs. tax burden for each state, but I then realized that tax burden is already folded into the economic freedom index. So instead I plotted cost of living versus economic freedom.


In this graph, the cost of living is represented by how much $100 is worth in each state. So in Hawaii, for example, $100 will only buy you $84.18 worth of stuff. In Mississippi, on the other hand, $100 will buy you $116.01 worth.

This means that you want to live in states in the upper right hand part of the plot, and avoid states in the lower left part.

Of course, if you’re near retirement then you may not care so much about economic freedom. In that case any state on the right side of the plot will do.


1. Jimbro - November 21, 2020

Didn’t find ME but I can imagine it’s on the left side of the $100 mark

2. geoff - November 21, 2020

Maine is at (102.4,8.01).

3. Mitch - November 21, 2020

I’m looking to move from Florida to Nevada. I’m sick and tired of the desert, Vegas has lost much of it’s sparkle and I need to be closer to family. Not a fan of the muggy summers but I long to see lush greenery again. Nevada is so incredibly beige.

4. Mitch - November 21, 2020

Er, move FROM NV to FL. Got my states bass ackwards

5. geoff - November 21, 2020

Hey Mitch!! It’s been so long. I miss your art and trance recommendations.

6. Retired Geezer - November 21, 2020

We moved from Vegas to the Spud State about 20 years ago. Best Move Ever.

Full Disclosure: I still have the Tabasco Cozy that Mitch crocheted for me.

7. Mitch - November 21, 2020

Howdy Geoff and RG! Yeah, lots of personal and family stuff happened and I just checked out of a lot of things and lost touch with everyone. Then I happened to look at my old gmail account and saw this post and had to drop by. Strange times we live in. I’m still a little over 4 years until I can retire from my current job but circumstances are such that I’ve been working from home since March. I can do this job pretty much the same in Florida as I can here. Housing prices are going crazy again and feels disturbingly like 2008. I long to Leave Las Vegas.

Hope everything is well with The Old Crowd!

8. geoff - November 21, 2020

I keep wishing I could tolerate Florida’s heat & humidity, but it crushes me every time I visit there. Even in January everything feels sticky.

I’ve got to stay in the arid West.

9. Retired Geezer - November 22, 2020

Mrs. Geezer reminded of the time we had a mini-meetup with Lipstick Obeck & Enas in Vegas.
She remembers that Enas had a sick kitty.

10. Mitch - November 22, 2020

Geoff, as long as I have AC I can handle Florida weather. My hands crack in the dry winters here. They’re like a bunch of little paper cuts.

RG, yes I remember that too. Poor Isabelle – she was the most loving kitty in the world. Alas, I had to put her to sleep shortly after that. We have a new kitty now named Prudence.

11. jam2 - November 22, 2020

Glad you’re hanging in there.
It’s good to hear from you.

12. jam2 - November 22, 2020

Im liking the south and it’s weather better with each passing year.

13. jam2 - November 22, 2020

My wife and I are thinking about moving to the Carolinas in a few years.
NYS is not a place for me any longer.

14. Itchy Mitch - November 22, 2020

Howdy Jam! It’s good to re-connect! Other things I miss about Florida – the woodsy smell, the rain, The Smell After Rain. Vegas just smells like dust, except during California’s Burning Times where it smells like smoke instead. We haven’t had rain here in…something like 215 days.

15. Itchy Mitch - November 22, 2020

Carolinas are pretty too. They would be worth a look if I wasn’t trying to move close to family. Anything in Cold Country is Right Out.

16. Retired Geezer - November 23, 2020

When we left Vegas after 50 years, people told us that we would move back.

Haven’t been back to visit in 6 years and have no desire to ever live in Nevada again.

After having lived with temperatures that rarely fell below freezing, I thought the cold and snow would get to us but we adjusted quickly. Now it’s no big deal.

17. lauraw - November 23, 2020

How cold does it get there? In central CT we almost always have one week where the morning temps hover around zero fahrenheit, down to minus 5 max. Almost unheard of that we get down to minus ten. A few years back, minus fifteen in the hills set a record. Again, that is a seasonal cold snap that lasts only a few days. Just long enough to kill any stray alligators or palmetto bugs that somebody may have brought back from vacation.

18. Itchy Mitch - November 23, 2020

The Cold Country thing is the line for my father, really. I can tolerate cold easier than heat, myself.

19. geoff - November 23, 2020

I’m seriously considering becoming an expat in a couple of years (assuming Biden wins). I don’t want to watch everything go to hell in slow motion. I’d rather clear out early before the stampede.

20. Retired Geezer - November 23, 2020

Yeah, Mitch, you can always add clothing.

It seems like we went years of living here before the temperature dropped below zero Fahrenheit but the old timers tell of the winter that it hit -20 F.

You can kinda play with this graph.

Here’s the average:

21. Itchy Mitch - November 23, 2020

Yeah? Where to go though Geoff? My sister and brother-in-law took a hard look at Panama and very nearly pulled the trigger but found a retirement community in Florida to be their perfect spot. If I had Very Serious Money then Switzerland would be good choice to ride out the Complete and Utter Collapse of Western Civilization. I’m extremely unlikely to ever have Switzerland Money though. I recall that Michael had a great fondness for Belize. I still make sure I have Marie Sharp’s Belizean Hot Sauce on hand at all times. I’m not convinced that Central or South America is the best spot to ride out The End Times though. America’s Hat isn’t an option. Most of Europe is right out of course, although I think perhaps a former Soviet Bloc like Poland would be highly resistant to going back to The Old Ways. Middle East isn’t attractive to me, nor is Africa (I denounce my RACISM). India is definitely Up And Coming, though it has a ways to go. Still probably the next Superpower to emerge from The Great Collapse, assuming it doesn’t get into a nucular war with Pakistan. Chy-na, Russia and the Koreas are out. Japan while fun to visit wouldn’t be a home for me and too expensive anyway. Australia and New Zealand are further along than we are. I’ve ruled out most of the globe by now I think. I may have to raise an army, conquer an island-nation and establish the Empire of Mitchistan. I could use a few good people, Geoff. I’d give you a duchy. OOO! With Global Warming Greenland could be a real option!

22. geoff - November 24, 2020

I was thinking of the Azores, Greece, Poland, or maybe just the UK. Azores & Greece have relatively inexpensive island living. I like Poland’s politics, and friends who have visited liked it a lot. I don’t like the UK’s politics or climate, but at least they’ve got good pubs and no language barrier.

But even if the target country’s politics are worse than ours, at least the heartbreak of watching the US deteriorate every day will be lessened by the distance.

23. lauraw - November 24, 2020

Hungary, maybe?

24. geoff - November 24, 2020

But Hungary’s so landlocked.

I’d rather have the duchy in Greenland.

25. Retired Geezer - November 24, 2020

I just draw the line at having anybody give me a duchy.

Which reminds me of the time I took my high school girlfriend home and her parents asked me what movie we saw.

Irma la Douche, I replied.

26. geoff - November 24, 2020


27. Itchy Mitch - November 25, 2020

Well, fine RG! No duchy for you!

28. Retired Geezer - November 25, 2020

I don’t want to stomp on geoff’s excellent post so I’ll just drop this thing here.

It’s the Original Virgin Version of the Innocent Bystanders Official Theme Song.

Here’s Our version:


29. geoff - November 26, 2020

Stomp, dammit, stomp.

30. lauraw - November 26, 2020

Happy Thanksgiving!

31. Pupster - November 26, 2020
32. Pupster - November 26, 2020

For what it is worth, I really like it here in Charlotte, NC. The climate is great, people are nice. If I was retiring I would probably get out of the city and head for some of the smaller towns in the mountains. Unless something unforeseen happens I won’t be moving any further north ever again.

Mrs. Pupster’s dad moved to Vegas a little over a year ago and really likes it. Her mom is still in Ohio, my folks and sister are in Utah.

33. pajama momma - November 27, 2020

Ok. I’m in California.
Can someone please look at this chart and tell me in English where I need to go?

34. Jimbro - November 27, 2020


(Anywhere But California)

35. pajama momma - November 27, 2020

Pretty much

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