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One Anglican Bishop Has Had Enough May 28, 2008

Posted by Michael in Heroes, Religion.
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A voice crying in the wilderness . . .

The collapse of Christianity has wrecked British society, a leading Church of England bishop declared yesterday.

It has destroyed family life and left the country defenceless against the rise of radical Islam in a moral and spiritual vacuum.

Vacuum? What is this vacuum of which you speak?

In a lacerating attack on liberal values, the Right Reverend Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester, said the country was mired in a doctrine of ‘endless self-indulgence’ that had brought an explosion in public violence and binge-drinking.

In a blow to Gordon Brown, he mocked the ‘scramblings and scratchings’ of politicians who try to cast new British values such as respect and tolerance.

The Pakistani-born bishop dated the downfall of Christianity from the ‘social and sexual revolution’ of the 1960s.

Oh, that vacuum.

It’s mighty interesting that this bishop hails from an Islamic country. Maybe he knows something about the vulnerability of societies that abandon real values for phony obeisance to “respect and tolerance.”

He said Church leaders had capitulated to Marxist revolutionary thinking and quoted an academic who blames the loss of ‘faith and piety among women’ for the steep decline in Christian worship.

Dr Nazir-Ali said the ‘ newfangled and insecurely founded’ doctrine of multiculturalism has left immigrant communities ‘segregated, living parallel lives’.

Christian values of human dignity, equality and freedom could be lost as the way is left open for the advance of brands of Islam that do not respect Western values.

What Britain will earn from its abandonment of core Western values is social disintegration, racial strife, class antagonism and, finally, civil war.

You heard it here first.

Segregated, living parallel lives.

Here’s a song from the Black Crowes:

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1. The Lay Scientist - May 28, 2008

“Britain’s Moral Vacuum”…

2. daveintexas - May 28, 2008

Oh fuck that pussy shit.

Let’s see some Marshall stacks.

3. hoodie in teh south - May 29, 2008

“So much cavalry”? How about “Sumner’s cacalry”?

4. Salt Lick - May 29, 2008

It was Stoneman’s cavalry. They tore up the railroad line joining TN to Virginia in the last month of the war.

5. asad123 - May 29, 2008

Nazir-Ali may have a point. I know that here in the States a lot of former churches have become masjids. I imagine the same thing happens in England.

6. Anonymous - May 29, 2008

Stoneman is correct, and the song ain’t right without Levon Helm’s accent. Hard to believe a Canadian wrote it.

7. Joe Hill - May 29, 2008

What do you mean by, “It’s mighty interesting that this bishop hails from an Islamic country. Maybe he knows something about the vulnerability of societies that abandon real values for phony obeisance to ‘respect and tolerance’”?

What would being from an Islamic country show you about societies that abandon real values for PC values?

8. Will - May 29, 2008

Wiki’s got a good page on this song – - –

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_They_Drove_Old_Dixie_Down

9. Michael - May 29, 2008

What would being from an Islamic country show you about societies that abandon real values for PC values?

It would show you the inevitable result — the triumph of intolerant and repressive values. Further down in the article there is some information about Nazir-Ali’s experience growing up as a Roman Catholic in Pakistan.

10. hoodie in teh south - May 29, 2008

My bad.

11. Muslihoon - May 29, 2008

asad123: If you’re reading, send me an email. Instructions on my blog. Thanks.

A Christian in a non-Christian land knows very well how precious Christian truths are. Christians in Christian lands feel so complacent, they feel they have nothing to loose if they fiddle around with the Truth and effectively deny Christ.

But sooner or later, leading people away from the Truth, away from Christ, through these pernicious doctrines of men, not of God, will spell destruction.

Satan doesn’t need non-Christians to destroy the Church. He can use Christians very well and very effectively to destroy the Church. Christ warned us about this very thing.

12. jum1801 - May 29, 2008

I for one don’t believe Robertson wrote the majority of “The Night They Drove” lyrics. As should have been evident from “The Last Waltz”, Robertson was/is a shameless self-promoter, and never shy about taking more than his share of credit from what was truly collaboration. Indeed, Levon Helm himself in his book “This Wheel’s On Fire” claims co-authorship, and echoes a comment above when he says, “”Do you really think a guy from Canada wrote ‘The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down’ all by himself?’”

I sure as hell don’t.

13. willis - May 29, 2008

“What would being from an Islamic country show you about societies that abandon real values for PC values?”

Good point, considering such societies have never had either.

14. Mr Minority - May 29, 2008

In reality it doesn’t matter whether Bishop Nazir-Ali spoke out or not, the Brits are going to continue down the road of letting Islam take over the State.

15. parallelsidewalk - May 29, 2008

It’s bizarre to me that fundamentalist Christians try to conflate fundamentalist Islam and secular post modernism, when they themselves have far more in common with the Muslims themselves. If you don’t want a country run like Pakistan, pushing the same values seems an odd route to take.

16. pajama momma - May 29, 2008

My goodness batman, you’re very big on the front page of wordpress. You guys are gonna be bringing in all sorts of fun commenters.

17. Muslihoon - May 29, 2008

Fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims have very little in common as far as impact on society goes. Comparing the two does little justice. Very few fundamentalist Christians are calling for the wholesale execution of wanton sinners, apostates, heretics, fornicators, adulterers, and so on.

18. Gordon Rodness - May 29, 2008

Let me clear up ‘parallelsidewalk’s” confusion. Christians–whether fundamentalists or otherwise–recognise limits to state power. They also understand that the quest for a perfect human order is futile: the Christian teleology, after all, ends with Armageddon, not the classless society or the Salafi utopia. In both of these things they differ profoundly from both fundamentalist Islam and secular postmodernism. It’s not surprising, therefore, that Michel Foucault–to look no further for an example–was a passionate advocate of Khomeini’s Islamic Revolution in Iran.

19. daveintexas - May 29, 2008

Very few fundamentalist Christians are calling for the wholesale execution of wanton sinners, apostates, heretics, fornicators, adulterers, and so on.

Hey now, I’m willing to make an exception for parallel.

Let’s not let the rules get in the way of the common good.

20. Muslihoon - May 29, 2008

Thank you, Gordon. Excellent summation indeed.

21. BrewFan - May 29, 2008

It’s bizarre to me that fundamentalist Christians try to conflate fundamentalist Islam and secular post modernism, when they themselves have far more in common with the Muslims themselves.

It’s bizarre to me that somebody can be so lacking in knowledge as to type this. These are not difficult logic problems we’re talking about here. You don’t have to construct any thought experiments. Just pick up a history book and read it for crying out loud!

Thank you, Gordon, for whacking parallelsidewalk with the Clue Bat™

22. Russ from Winterset - May 29, 2008

Instalanche! Holy Bondage Equipment, Batman! We really should have done some dusting and light sweeping if we had any idea that all these visitors were coming over.

23. Nan - May 29, 2008

The man makes a point. He says what many know but too few are willing to admit proferring instead cosmetic solutions for the maladies plaguing the British society.

Truth is a bitter pill to swallow!

24. parallelsidewalk - May 29, 2008

Uh, I’m the one who needs to read a history book? Do you guys actually know anything about the history of Christianity in Europe? Christianity today is less dangerous than it was only because of the rise of secularism. Christianity historically has certainly not “recognised limits to state power” as long as they were in charge of the state. The state church of England only exists because Henry VIII needed a divorce. The fact that Christianity ends with an apocalypse doesn’t really mean anything, so does Orthodox Islam (google the terms Mahdi, dajjal, and imamate for more on that), to me that just makes them more dangerous. If you think there’s going to be a world-ending global gang war in your lifetime, and you’re on “god’s side”, there’s really no limit to the craziness you might get into. At any rate, about Foucalt; so what? A lot of secularists supported Khoemini in Iran (as did many Jews and some Christians, I might add) because they hated the shah. At any rate, Foucalt is a jackass and his support of Khomeini is completely irrelevant to the larger point. The ignorance here is astounding. If you want Britain to look like the Muslim world, by all means, try to make Christianity a big force in it again.

25. BrewFan - May 29, 2008

Christianity today is less dangerous than it was only because of the rise of secularism.

I credit Christianity with the rise of western civilization. You aren’t going to tell me that the evil deeds of a few people over the course of the last two thousand years is an indictment of an entire worldview (that has brought peace, progress, and has improved life for practically every person in the whole world) are you?

I bet you are.

26. daveintexas - May 29, 2008

Seriously, can’t we put him (her, whatev) in Gitmo?

27. Mr Minority - May 29, 2008

Christianity today is less dangerous than it was only because of the rise of secularism.

* Blows Whistle*

Foul, 10 yrd penalty for stupidity, 4th down!

The US championed the idea of no State ran religion, not due to secularism, but due to freedom loving Christians thinking with their brains.

If you want to make broad statements, then I say the world is more dangerous today due to secularism, not religion. We have more wide spread crime, immorality, apathy, and degeneration all due to secularism.

Seriously, can’t we put him (her, whatev) in Gitmo?

Why waste the money, deport him/her back to Fwance, on a fishing trawler.

28. daveintexas - May 29, 2008

I want this fucker burned at the stake.

What’s the problem here? Get me some goddamn kerosene and a match.

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30. Sonor - May 29, 2008

He’s one bishop that makes the right-wing press in the UK froth whenever he say something.

Everyone else ignores him.

31. Sobek - May 29, 2008

To any Instapundit readers:

I strongly suggest you do not read the post three down from this one.

That is all.

32. skinbad - May 29, 2008

Sonor,

As long as no one pins a note to his chest with a knife, I guess he can’t complain.

33. Muslihoon - May 29, 2008

Speaking of England falling to the foreigners, Tush: this is for you:

(Sorry, you have to understand Hindi and how Hindi-speakers speak English to understand why this is funny.)

34. Muslihoon - May 29, 2008

That song is almost like Indian hair rock:

Check out the Anglo background dancers…with the white guys wearing Indian outfits.

35. godozo - May 30, 2008

Maybe the Pakistani Bishop understands what fundamentalist Islam means to Christians under it – taxation, diminuition, and shrinkage of the world to the space in front of them. Also, the inability to defend from desecration or random killings, as all else must stand UNDERNEATH the lowest muslim woman. It does allow them to live, and gives them time to “submit,” but never time to rise above their low place.

Maybe the Pakistani Bishop also understands that you don’t convert people to a moderate form of ANYTHING (as moderation implies decades to generations of living under a set of laws to understand what’s important or what’s not). You convert them to fundamentalist versions, as those are always the basics. Whether it’s Christian (US) or Hindi (India) or Islam, the basics are always fundamentalist while the details always call for moderation.

And while our Pakistani Bishop may not understand this, I’m not gonna blame him, as few people have read Locke (You know, the father of LIberalism) make this point:

“A liberal society is supposed to be tolerant, but tolerance has its limits. It is not improper to be intolerant of those groups that seek to impose intolerance upon people.”

Don’t know the exact words, but that’s the point I remember gleaning.

36. Mr Minority - May 30, 2008

I believe there has been placed waaaaay too much emphasis on being “tolerant”.

Where does it say that I have to be “tolerant” of bad behavior? Or barbarism? I haven’t read it in the Bible or Constitution that I have to be “tolerant” of immoral values, crime, the killing of innocents, honor killings, barbaric legal systems, or any other system/values that violates civilized behavior.

If am to be labeled intolerant, then so be it.

37. Sonor - May 30, 2008

I’ve read back through the comments on this Blog and I have to say that some of the comments (Particularly Mr Minority’s) are hilarious.

Keep it up boys, some of this stuff…you couldn’t make it up.

38. Mr Minority - May 30, 2008

I have to say that some of the comments (Particularly Mr Minority’s) are hilarious.

You know it always makes me feel good knowing that I have brighten up someone’s day.

39. BrewFan - May 30, 2008

Sonor, stop please. You’re going to give Mr. Minority a big(ger) head

40. Al Gore - May 30, 2008

nice web

Thank you.

41. JRinTennessee - May 30, 2008

What do you do with a Texan who’s to big to be burried in a coffin? Give him an enema and burry him in a shoebox!


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